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[tlaskows]

Hi Dante, yes I checked your patches a while ago. They are good.

But, how come the DAS does not change the sound timbre on how hard you hit the key? Almost all of the DX7 patches do this. I have this bass patch (forgot the name, but can find it). When you hit the key hard it sound like a slap bass. When you hit it soft it's a softer sound, kind of like a filter...

-Tom

[garyb]

envelope....

[tlaskows]

Yes, I know it's possible. But how come all of the DAS sounds sound static?

-Tom

[garyb]

their forte is design not presets?

[tlaskows]

viddy well viddy well, but I like to start with a preset then tweak it. Have you ever tried to program an FM module from INIT sound? It will take you a whole day!



-Tom

[dante]

But, how come the DAS does not change the sound timbre on how hard you hit the key? Almost all of the DX7 patches do this. I have this bass patch (forgot the name, but can find it). When you hit the key hard it sound like a slap bass. When you hit it soft it's a softer sound, kind of like a filter...

If your talking about my patches, it probably has to do with Velocity Control, which I never bothered with. On the original DX7, you could make Velocity Sensitivity scale across the keyboard. Hence able to create splits - eg bass in left hand, elec piano on the right.

Depends if the programmer bothers with those params - but can easily be altered by user to suit, on all - the DX7, PX7, PLGDX and F07 - all have those velocity sens params.

Have you ever tried to program an FM module from INIT sound? It will take you a whole day!

Start with an organ - eg all 6 ops carriers and no modulators. Set the first one to freq 1, the next to freq 2, freq 3 (or 4 cant remember harmonic series or not) and so on etc. You have six drawbars of an organ ! That will take 3 minutes from an INIT patch.

Then learn how to use a modulator to create a sawtooth (cant remember offhand), delay the attack slightly and you have brass..again, 2 minutes.

If you mute the other 5 ops while you work with 1 - that will save you time. Of course if you mute a carrier that will also mute its modulators...

Sorry I'm short on the details not being at my DAW, but once you have the basics you can progress from there. Something to do with uneven harmonics (saw for brass and violins) and even harmonics (square wave for flutes etc) - or it could be the other way round.

[garyb]

viddy well viddy well, but I like to start with a preset then tweak it. Have you ever tried to program an FM module from INIT sound? It will take you a whole day!



-Tom

that sounds like a personal problem....

[dante]

Now we have a phantastic piece of enginering and DSP hardware w/ XITE-1 and there are over 300meg of up to now by S|C stock devices unused memory across the chips inside XITE-1,-

@bud - 300 mega - bytes - or bits ?

[tlaskows]

Yes, dante. The additive algorithm is the easiest to use for sure! You can make an organ patch quickly. I will play around it when I have some time

-Tom

[Bud Weiser]

Now we have a phantastic piece of enginering and DSP hardware w/ XITE-1 and there are over 300meg of up to now by S|C stock devices unused memory across the chips inside XITE-1,-

@bud - 300 mega - bytes - or bits ?

Each of the "new" SHARC chips offers 32 Megabytes of RAM.
That´s what you originally got into a AKAI S-1000/ S-1100 in form of 4 expansion cards, 8 Megabyte each.
EMU EoS samplers ...
My E64 comes w/ 64 megabyte of RAM and the bigger version were upgradable up to 128 IIRC.

Back to SCOPE:

In theory and w/ for internal RAM usage optimized SCOPE,- when assigning STS sampler to one of the important DSPs in XITE (DSP # 7, 8, 9 or 10), you should be able to load the sampler and load a full 32MB bank of AKAI samplers and programs on that chip alone.
Use the single outs and stereo-out of STS and you have a 32 voice polyphony MIDI multimode/ multi audio channel instrument.
IIRC, 32 voice polyphony is what you get out from 1 DSP w/ STS,- maybe 64 voices, I don´t know exactly atm.
In any way it´s much better than the AKAI hardware sampler w/ 16 voice polyphony only or on par when comparing to AKAI S-3000.

XITE-1 come s w/ 12 of the "new" SHARC chips,- so there is 364 Megabytes RAM in a XITE-1,- unused from S|C stock devices up to now.

I have a ton of AKAI CDs (floppies as well),- and you get a s##tload out of AKAI as well as EMU library, at least when doing your own music w/ freedom deciding how to do.
When there are higher demands or another producer comes and wants Kontakt or other native stuff,- use it too,- simple as that.

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O.T.:

B.t.w., in former post you mentioned you lost Kontakt when ditching Cubase and since working w/ Reason & SCOPE alone.

I didn´t try but read somewhere it might be possible using latest ASIO4ALL directed to WDM (WAVE ?) driver, then select ASIO4ALL in a standalone VST application (p.ex. Kontakt).
That shall behave like a ASIO driver w/ reduced latency.
To me that means ou could eventually use SCOPE ASIO in Reason and SCOPE WAVE w/ ASIO4ALL on top for Kontakt simulteneously,- but don´t know if SCOPE WAVE works flawlessly in 64Bit systems though.
If it does it should work.

Bud

[cortone]

Bud,

I don't have a spec in front of me to verify this, but I'm pretty sure that each chip has 32MBits, rather than 32MBytes. 4MBytes is the equivalent to 32MBits. Still a large chunk for coding purposes, and it is a shame if they are not being put to use.

Cory

[jksuperstar]

No, it is 32MBytes, not Mbits. Check hitfoundry for images of the XITE-1's motherboard.

There are no stock devices that use it to my knowledge, but there have been several modified devices that make use of it (like the masterverb, chorus, etc).

[Bud Weiser]

No, it is 32MBytes, not Mbits. Check hitfoundry for images of the XITE-1's motherboard.

There are no stock devices that use it to my knowledge, but there have been several modified devices that make use of it (like the masterverb, chorus, etc).

That´s it !



Bud

[cortone]

My bad! Although I didn't actually find any images on Scope Rising that show the memory chips, you guys know hardware. Which article is it in? I have some images from way back, but the memory chips must be on the opposite side of the board from the sharcs, they don't show in the pics that I have.

Cheers and apologies,
Cory

[JoPo]

But most of he rest of the features mentioned here to me represent a point release - improving features that fall short for some.

Could agree if you call 'improving feature' ->'making feature working' ! I mean if that feature :

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would have the kindness to work ! (modulation range, that's what I meant with midi controler data percentage...) It doesn't work at all in Scope or you need to use some midi pligins such as miditoolbox or Mehdi's CC. But Scope devices midi input are coded on 7bit anyways, so even if you modifie the range and have more precision on a shorter or more specific range, it's not possible : there is ONLY 127 points on a midi input. This should be possible to change inside of Scope, like inside of Kontakt : you can tell it to range the 127 standard midi points between 45 and 60% (for example) of the wide range parameter you want to midi control and with your midi controler 0->127, you control just a small part of the parameter range, with a lot of precision. This is impossible to do in Scope ! This is simply a pity ! This would be easily possible in a new Scope version, I believe : the knob is already there but doesn't work !

purchased 70 Rack Extensions

What do you call 'rack extension' ? In france, a rack device is like the xite unit : a hardware device you put on a 19'' rack ! Is your home studio looking like Hans Zimmer's room wall ? Or are you speaking about Propellerhead's soft ? (Which I understand they are nothing more than VST's : audio plugins)

And where have you seen, in Scope, a LFO modulating any Scope devices parameter present in your project, clocked on a single clock which controls every Scope devices ? This would not be an improving of any feature but a new feature, and not a small one at all !

For midi timing/implementation, I don't do much live either. But when I draw a nice midi aux sending controler curve, I'd like to hear the sending fx always at the same place ! When I send to a delay processor just ONE short note, I'd like to send, each time I playback the track, the same note, not the one before or after or send silence there is closed to this note but not the note I wanted ! This is very important, I think for the effect I want to give to my track. Ok, this time, it's improvment...

[dante]

My bad! Although I didn't actually find any images on Scope Rising that show the memory chips, you guys know hardware. Which article is it in? I have some images from way back, but the memory chips must be on the opposite side of the board from the sharcs, they don't show in the pics that I have.

Yes, which article ? I need to check that, if its referring to RAM onboard the ADSP or not. Coz according to this http://www.analog.com/media/en/technica ... _21369.pdf
Its 2MBit per chip - which is what - 150K bytes ?

SRAM

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At that rate, maybe we could place a couple of velocity layers of a single note of a piano on each chip, then use up the SAT connections to join them up into a complete octave

What do you call 'rack extension' ? In france, a rack device is like the xite unit : a hardware device you put on a 19'' rack ! Is your home studio looking like Hans Zimmer's room wall ? Or are you speaking about Propellerhead's soft ? (Which I understand they are nothing more than VST's : audio plugins)

Maybe my monitor screen looks like Hans Zimmers ! Rack Extensions yes are like VST. Heres the list https://shop.propellerheads.se/browse/? ... ns-refills

And a discussion on how interoperability compares to VST's on other major DAWS

http://reasontalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7491716 (and good combinator video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=191&v=LLWpG55Cjjw )

Which concludes :

All that being said, I'm pretty sure other people have the same experiences with their favorite DAW. So there is your answer: find out which DAW takes you to that place. Absent that spark of inspiration you experience when you find your match, you will find yourself on that hamster wheel of endlessly chasing feature sets.

Well, its Reason+Scope that take me to that place.

Also Read in particular Selig's posts, hes a knowledgable guy having designed the B3 plug I use a lot.

[cortone]

Dante,

I found that reference too, but I recall that there are additional DRAM chips on the XITE board, although I can't find any reference to it on SonicCore now. The only pix I can find show the topside of the mainboard inside the XITE, but no DRAM chips, just the Sharcs, are visible. I haven't found a pic of the other side of the board.

Cory

[Bud Weiser]

... Coz according to this ...
Its 2MBit per chip - which is what - 150K bytes ?

Dante, the information never came from Scoperise.

IIRC, it came up much earlier and there isn´t that large RAM inside the SHARC chip,- but XITE onboard RAM should exist.

Already in 2009, Jimmy mentioned to the Xite-1´s 12 chips attached RAM as he also mentioned Juergen ...
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-c ... 1-a-4.html
He says 64MB RAM chips here which might be wrong though.

Later it came up here PlanetZ again and w/ site of 32MB mentioned.
My XITE-1 came march 04 / 2012, so it must have been later because I didn´t discuss XITE before.
It´s too many threads, pages and posts to find out when it started, but it might be mentioned somewhere in the masterverb test thread or posts about users (fra77 and/or djmicron) working on XITE-DSP optimized devices.
At least fra77 used that onboard RAM tweaking masterverb and a chorus for us.
He´s gone and deleted content of his posts I fear,- and I regret he isn´t with us anymore.

Bud

[dante]

Yeah I have fra's masterverb. But as to how much ram, or where it is, or what S|C could use it for (if anything other than reverbs or delay lines) - all seems speculative to me.

[cortone]

Yes, I've searched PlanetZ, and I think we're repeating our own rumours as it's same group discussing now, as then. I'd love to know for sure. But not badly enough to open my baby up!