Scope is more alive than ever !!!

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:51 am

Its funny how the general love vibes in this thread transformated into that hate think, we already had several times ago.( I`m sure nobody wants to go in detail).

Anyway the main approach to start that thread, was to thank all people that spend their time on design ( graphic or sound ) on this community for FREE. That doesn`t exactly adress a company like DAS, although I also welcome any new commercial devices, too.

But mainly the thread should be a big "Thank you for your work" for the dedicated people which love to spend time on this community with noncommercial interests.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:52 am

There's also a well known saying ... "The best things in life are free".

digitalaudiosoft · Post by **digitalaudiosoft** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:53 am

Shroomz wrote:There's also a well known saying ... "The best things in life are free".

no,the best thing is "free dom"

another one

digitalaudiosoft · Post by **digitalaudiosoft** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:00 am

hifiboom wrote:Its funny how the general love vibes in this thread transformated into that hate think, we already had several times ago.( I`m sure nobody wants to go in detail).

Anyway the main approach to start that thread, was to thank all people that spend their time on design ( graphic or sound ) on this community for FREE. That doesn`t exactly adress a company like DAS, although I also welcome any new commercial devices, too.

But mainly the thread should be a big "Thank you for your work" for the dedicated people which love to spend time on this community with noncommercial interests.

digitalaudiosoft wrote: hi,

shroomz and sharc has made 2 nice pots on your das modular mixer.thanks to them.

eric

hifiboom,

that's what i have done ...i have thanks shroomz and his brother isn't it ? i'm french and i know how to write "merci" in english !

eric

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:01 am

Shroomz wrote:There's also a well known saying ... "The best things in life are free".

yeah shroomz, I also think the same about art, where music is a sub-section of art in general:

when its all about money making, it shouldn`t be called art anymore. Then its called buisness. And nobody has to thank someone for his buisness.

digitalaudiosoft · Post by **digitalaudiosoft** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:19 am

hifiboom wrote:
Shroomz wrote:There's also a well known saying ... "The best things in life are free".
yeah shroomz, I also think the same about art, where music is a sub-section of art in general:

when its all about money making, it shouldn`t be called art anymore. Then its called buisness. And nobody has to thank someone for his buisness.

yes , i'm sound engineer and i win money,i make plugins and i win money,i'm bass player and i win money ! and i give money for music production because i like that !

and , as you like those kind of post :

what's wrong with that....

where is the problem ?
you are using hardware aren't you ? do you have a car ? do you eat everyday ? and you pay for that isn't it ? !!!

sometimes it's better to pay instead of use bad free plugins , it's the reason why we have lots of customers and professional customers !!!

internet is a free system and everything had to be free ! and when you have to pay it's another story ,you write shit post on das with your friends,you think that you are able to find supposed phase problem,supposed distortion,supposed shit !!! and when you are wrong ,there are no "excuse me !!! "

"when its all about money making, it shouldn`t be called art anymore. Then its called buisness"

what is art for me ?
art is to make a realy good sound with a rmx160 or n1084eq or polteq for example ...but it seems that you are not able to make that !!! only distortiion...
art is to arrange music,arrange sound,playing bass ! where are your rmx160 distorded sound on my mix ? so now,don't speak about art , it sound's like polteq post....art is not making loop and stole arrange from true musician !
i can't belive that !
i 'm proud to make my business as you say..... i have a studio , a house, 2 cars ,a family...and what's wrong with me ? !!! or what's wrong with you ? !!! are you working everyday ? are you pay for that ?

ah.......

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:26 am

DAS has made freeware too, as I remember: Their XTC-devices!

DAS is one of the most important changes that made SCOPE more and more alive again the last months. THANK YOU DAS !!!!! I think one should say thanks to good buisness also, not only to gifts.

DAS gives everybody the free decision to buy their plugs or not and they make demos.

I would not agree to anyone who sais that only free things are good, but in that point we all agree I think.

Martin

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:32 am

digitalaudiosoft wrote:
hifiboom wrote:
Shroomz wrote:There's also a well known saying ... "The best things in life are free".
yeah shroomz, I also think the same about art, where music is a sub-section of art in general:

when its all about money making, it shouldn`t be called art anymore. Then its called buisness. And nobody has to thank someone for his buisness.
yes , i'm sound engineer and i win money,i make plugins and i win money,i'm bass player and i win money ! and i give money for music production because i like that !

and , as you like those kind of post :

what's wrong with that....

where is the problem ?
you are using hardware aren't you ? do you have a car ? do you eat everyday ? and you pay for that isn't it ? !!!

sometimes it's better to pay instead of use bad free plugins , it's the reason why we have lots of customers and professional customers !!!

internet is a free system and everything had to be free ! and when you have to pay it's another story ,you write shit post on das with your friends,you think that you are able to find supposed phase problem,supposed distortion,supposed shit !!! and when you are wrong ,there are no "excuse me !!! "

"when its all about money making, it shouldn`t be called art anymore. Then its called buisness"

i can't belive that !
i 'm proud to make business as you say..... i have a studio , a house, 2 cars ,a family...and what's wrong with me ? !!! or what's wrong with you ? !!! are you working everyday ? are you pay for that ?

ah.......

Eric,

I understand everything you posted and I agree,

there is nothing wrong with making money with what you do.
But this thread was adressed specially to those people that do not make money with their efforts. That has nothing to do with DAS or Creamware, which are commercial projects.

So in what way do you feel attacked?

Many of the free devices are not bad, they re actually very good.

For example MOV_EQ is nothing I would call standard studio tool, like an eq, or reverb, but its something very new and unique, comes with a nice manual and has a very nice GUI. And at least its free. So why not say thanks to the developers of what you call "bad plug-ins".

I don`t get your point. Sorry.

digitalaudiosoft · Post by **digitalaudiosoft** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:41 am

MCCYRANO wrote:DAS has made freeware too, as I remember: Their XTC-devices!

DAS is one of the most important changes that made SCOPE more and more alive again the last months. THANK YOU DAS !!!!! I think one should say thanks to good buisness also, not only to gifts.

DAS gives everybody the free decision to buy their plugs or not and they make demos.

I would not agree to anyone who sais that only free things are good, but in that point we all agree I think.

Martin

martin,

what's wrong with you ?....don't be affraid it's another french pun..i prefere humour as writing to hifiboom...

you made lots of plugs for creamware community,i find that really good for who can't offer plugins.some of them are good, others are bad.but you have lots of good ideas.and i m sincere.we have had our war and it's enough..that was at the beginning ! now, you and me want peace.and i think that some infamous post are exiting some guys here ...

all of us have to thanks you ,even me

eric

digitalaudiosoft · Post by **digitalaudiosoft** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:48 am

self edited...

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:13 am

Eric, there is no new war (it's all in your head) & I certainly didn't intend to start one, but for the record, as you obviously don't seem to know, here's a list of what I actually sent Olivier (very pleasant guy btw) as per his request for inclusion in Jimmy's one-off custum mixer.

> 1 knob with green led surroud in 3 new customized sizes specified by Olive.
> 1 behringer-style 'led-ring' 'surround' in customized sizes & a customized colour specified by Olive (red leds). This animation was re-made from almost scratch. (this is the one that you haven't implemented correcty on Jimmy's mixer, as it should also have a knob on top. Sorry, I thought that would be rather obvious just from looking at it)
> several customized versions of our coloured slider cap designs (the ones used on the channel faders etc.

Now, I didn't mind doing those customizations for free. I did them as a favour to Jimmy, yourself & Olivier. There is no hard feelings & the work I did was done in the hope that we can all just get along & help one-another.

That said, I have no intention or will to work with you & I'm affraid if you think otherwise you are mistaken. I'm sure we can happily co-exist without all this nonsense.

cheers

digitalaudiosoft · Post by **digitalaudiosoft** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:51 am

self edited...i'm tired..

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:00 pm

You're totally bonkers Eric.

[self-edited] ( I had quoted from a PM which was wrong of me )

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:04 pm

on the one hand, discussions like this are senseless...

on the other hand, its quite amusing, so we/you just could go on for weeks...

but if you take it seriously its just mad.

husker · Post by **husker** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:07 pm

Yes, all very entertaining in a 'car wreck' kind of way. It's a shame Eric deleted all his posts, there was some classic quotes in there

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:13 pm

hifiboom wrote: Anyway the main approach to start that thread, was to thank all people that spend their time on design ( graphic or sound ) on this community for FREE. That doesn`t exactly adress a company like DAS, although I also welcome any new commercial devices, too.

I see you addressed primarily the non-commercial developers, but, as you already stated, there is no reason to exclude the commercial ones, too. there is not only DAS, but creamware themselves, spacef, wolf...
all of them keep scope going, and whenever a devices is sold via the cw shop some coins remain there (as I understood). and this keeps it rolling (even if it's slow).

iI like the free devices much, because they help me playing with them and trying to understand things without having to pay in advance. but I won't say no to a demo and buying it afterwards, if I consider it useful.
(nobody complains about cw, btw, and they don't give out even demos, but charge money for their stuff.)

and still I am free to decide whether I want to pay for something or not. I'm even free to decide to buy (or not) from this company or that, according to my personal likings. this forum gives us the freedom of choice. you can always expect help for your decision, but the decision itself is made by you, in the end.
(at least, this is my opinion)

-greetings, markus-

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:17 pm

Well coming from an 'outsiders' point of view i must say that none of this makes DAS look professional or even level-headed. You want a courteous French developer just check Space F. Other friendly developers include John Bowen, Adern, wolf and wavelength who i've had various dealings with. And that doesn't include the people who give stuff away for free - even they don't behave in threads like you are and they don't have a professional reputation to maintain. This thread has really put me off buying your stuff (and with the 50% off it was tempting) as i don't know that i would want to deal with you.

Astroman, hubird and Schroomz are people who i don't always agree with but value their input. Rarely has a thread inadvertantly reached such comic proportions (if it indeed it ever has).

i think you need to replace whatever you're using to translate (do you have Babelfish set to 'Grumpy' mode or what?).

Seriously Eric, you look like the antogonist in this thread - your remarks were the first to fly off the handle. Stop now before you do DAS's reputation any more damage. Or carry on a keep us laughing in this train crash of a thread.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:21 pm

husker wrote:Yes, all very entertaining in a 'car wreck' kind of way. It's a shame Eric deleted all his posts, there was some classic quotes in there

I copied his last can of worms in which he posted what Shroomz had written to him privately, right before the wipe-off

... you want it back ?

Post by **hubird** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:30 pm

digitalaudiosoft wrote:free rotten distorded and phased potatoes are made for you.
eric

does everybody realizes what exactly is said here?

sharc · Post by **sharc** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:35 pm

Just got back in from work (long day)

Made a couple of posts earlier on my lunch break, and now I come home to this. Can I just say I'm absolutely shocked at the mess this thread has become. Can you guys not just get a grip? Feel the love. Yes the commercial developers deserve credit as well for all there hard work on Scope (especially the ones who don't come out with all guns blazing, shooting off at the mouth at every opportunity). I have a lot of respect for developers like John Bowen, Space F, Adern, Wolf, De-vice, Brainworx and even DAS (I just don't get where you're coming from Eric when you start this sh*t.) Anyway, thanks for the thanks Hifiboom. It's appreciated.