FOR THOSE WHO REALLY WANT TO LEARN TO USE PULSAR

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Mon Apr 29, 2002 11:57 am

Hello again guys: Neil, I think your idea of building up a database is closed to Redsun’s idea, and it’s excellent. I have no knowledge about this procedure, so I can just imagine it. But I fully understand its usability. You may get in touch to build up something together regarding this point: Neil B + Redsun.

Neil, interesting the way you’ve got your Pulsar, and quite uncommon to say the least! It’s like buying trousers and then having a child to suit it, hehehe…

Of course I think it is convenient to pan and everything else, in MIDI first, before going into AUDIO. In fact, it’s the better way cos you can concentrate your process power just in mastering, keeping a higher fidelity by the end. Anyway, I don’t think this is the moment or the place to talk about that. We are going to go through every aspect anyway, later on, while studding.

Ken, I think you are one of those with more knowledge about Synths structure and so on… And your keen curiosity will positively contaminate everybody else in the Forum. We can appreciate your enthusiasm and love for Synths and its beloved knobs, do you are going to have a lot to say, just hope you do it understandable and jargon free for everybody here.

Evil, you should first see a photograph of my face, you may regret to have given my name to your first born baby…

Just kidding, I’m beautiful, “because I worth it”!

I don’t think it is a problem to be a Luna Owner, cos the principles are the same. Don’t worry saying: “I’m not going to give a thing cos I don’t know, I’m going to take what you do” This is not the point, the point is that this forum is as USEFL as possible. If you study putting a bit of will into the matter, you are going to make happy all of those who are going to do the effort to write for you.

Nevertheless, I repeat: This self-study matter is for those who do not know. Of course, there will be knowledgeable people helping us now and then, but the idea is TO STUDY together, going in depth into the different topics as needed. And if you study you learn and so you can teach.

Paul, everybody is involved with MIDI here, for sure! We absolutely need your knowledge, and we know you are not “newborn”, but a real professional as we can appreciate from your work, and a fine musician too, so please, YES. MIDI is extremely important for us: please, please... teach us MIDI!

Redsun, your idea, as I’ve already said before it’s great! It would be very good to do so, and even the name it’s good, or should we put the “Pulsar Koran” instead of “Pulsar Bible”, just not to be bombed by the Middle East military forces? If you do the Hosting, great, but think that this will take quite a few months to gather enough information. I think you could start doing something like that about January 2003 or so. Well, the sooner you start anyway, the better.

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Mon Apr 29, 2002 12:08 pm

Nestor, a thought just occured to me. There are a whole lot of links on the net that teach about MIDI. I don`t really see what it is I could contribute if not to just copy those links here....

What do you think?

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Mon Apr 29, 2002 12:52 pm

Of course we could use this links, but are they progressive in the way they introduce you into MIDI?

And, most important of all: What about the practical side of it?

I think that this is a bit different, because you could tell us: “Well guys, this week you have to put together this song like this, like that, bla bla bla…” So we do it! This is the mayor difference to my eyes.

And, another important difference is that we would relate everything with our one plug-ins Devices and with the way Pulsar works with MIDI, not MIDI as a general study.

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at0m · Post by **at0m** » Mon Apr 29, 2002 1:04 pm

I know some about midi, if you want I could write a page about it. I host a midi-remote group on Yahoogroups, but unfortunately there's lotsa members but no-one's ever posted a serious question or problem. I started the group to avoid putting to much midi here on z.
I had been thinking of writing an essay about midi for my 1000th post, but when I was thinking it over, I saw this guy with a problem so I just replied, thus skipping the midi essay. I'll try to make something up, and I'll post it on z. Guess I'll wait for a while, then post if after 3.1 has been released... cos things could change somehow.

RedSun · Post by **RedSun** » Mon Apr 29, 2002 1:43 pm

To Nestor:

I also thought of 'Pulsar for Dummies' but we'll have IDG on our back in no time with that!

Seriously (almost), I don't have any religious preferences. I suggested that title because I happened to have the 'Flash 5 Bible' right in front of me...

Pulsar Fusion Databook sounds a bit boring. We could try PuFI(PUlsar Fusion Info). Off course, we have to leave out 'The PORN'(The Pulsar ORiginal Network).

Maybe it would be a better idea to accept suggestions and do a poll on the best ones after...

For the hosting, I'm in no hurry. I'll start working on it when things will start coming in...

RedSun .:.

minipax · Post by **minipax** » Tue Apr 30, 2002 2:19 am

Hi there, sorry for jumping on the bandwagon kinda late and everything but i haven't been around here much....

can i just clear a few things up?

the idea is to get individuals to write a short guide on each pulsar device and then group the info together in a single web site?

how are the devices assigned to each user?

what's the time limit for the creation of each guide? a compressor guide could be 2 pages long but a guide for the prisma would be huge!

It really is a fantastic idea though, it would certainly be a huge help to new users...

by the way, if you called it PuFi,that sounds kinda like 'poofy' which means something else where i'm from!

Post by **Neil B** » Tue Apr 30, 2002 2:55 am

Nestor,
Yes it was quite a shock to go to a free demo of VST and find out it would cost me a couple of thousand quid! 3rd prize was just a Cubase watch and I was hoping.....
Re working with REdsun - goodish idea. My database was only to take these sort of forum notes and cut out the "chatty" bits, leaving the learning substance, and with a quick reference through the database searching.
Re the "panning thing" I was really going about it long-winded. What I meant was - "lets ensure that we have the right audio files of best quality to test compressors on". In another part of the forum I've seen a reply suggesting that audio comes before the compressor studying - I was just agreeing with that. Anyway, I'm on board if I can contribute. Great idea of yours.

caleb · Post by **caleb** » Tue Apr 30, 2002 5:50 am

I love PuFi. That is so cute.
Can we use that name? Can we? Can we?

Wow! My biggest contribution to date and I'm only agreeing with someone else...sad isn't it?

John Cooper · Post by **John Cooper** » Tue Apr 30, 2002 7:58 am

Cool idea guys.

How about I create a new forum called "Pulsar Study" for this?

-John

borg · Post by **borg** » Tue Apr 30, 2002 8:14 am

On 2002-04-27 15:37, borg wrote:

great idea! i think it's better to do it like this, rather than to ask john for another forum (maybe in the future, summaries of the various threads could be placed in a special spot, read only).

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Tue Apr 30, 2002 10:13 am

Great idea John!

caleb · Post by **caleb** » Tue Apr 30, 2002 5:00 pm

Hey way cool!

We're here! we're queer!....ooops wrong forum.

Retro · Post by **Retro** » Tue Apr 30, 2002 7:54 pm

LMAO!!

Rob van Berkel · Post by **Rob van Berkel** » Tue Apr 30, 2002 11:35 pm

On 2002-04-27 14:57, Nestor wrote:
I hope there are at least 50 people involved so we can start soon. I am suggesting studying only one kind of plug-in Device per week, because not everybody has that much free time to get involved in a daily basis.

I hope I can be one of those 50 ppl, Nestor, 'coz I find your initiative absolutely great, and I wish I can contribute and learn with this group. Only problem is the time available (busy job/kid/wife) to actually commit myself to examine this'n'that in a fixed period of time. But I will try, honestly

So, where and when do we start? Oh, I forgot, having my summer holidays second half of may.
So it all comes down to a 'slow motion' kind of way of contributing for me. But I WILL be there

Again, a great initiative!
Rob

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Wed May 01, 2002 12:39 am

Hello again guys! Well, it’s great to have a Forum exclusively for studding, thanks to John’s gentleness, it’s sort of a dream to me that has come true.

You’re welcomed atOmic, thanks for your MIDI offer! Obviously, everybody can participate; this is the idea, isn’t it?

I think you have to wait a bit nevertheless, not to do a job that does not suit the needs of the students. Let’s get organized first and then we go. We need to know where we are going first to decide which subtopics will be covered at the beginning, which at the middle and which at the end.

Hi Redsun, I think PuFI is quite fun, I like it too. So you’re there for the hosting, well, fantastic, isn’t it? Creamware could end up with an interactive CD for next year Pulsar buyers, so ask them for a Scope platform for you! He he…

Minipax wrote: “the idea is to get individuals to write a short guide on each pulsar device and then group the info together in a single web site?”
To a certain extent yes, but the idea is not to write, but to study together. When you study by yourself, it’s much difficult, but if you do it with some other people it’s much easier.

The point is to help each other and while we learn - and as a consequence of it - we write something about for others to learn too, but not the opposite. I think this is logical.

Minipax wrote: “how are the devices assigned to each user?”
No devices assigned to a single user, but all of us learning the very same device together till we exhaust it, squeezing it to the most!

Minipax wrote: “what's the time limit for the creation of each guide? a compressor guide could be 2 pages long but a guide for the prisma would be huge!”
You’re right. I think there will be some devices that will take longer than others. As you suggest, for instance: the Prisma Synth. This is something I would like everybody thinks about, and in a democratic way we decide which device goes first, way, etc., which subdivisions are necessary and so forth.

As a ground, a week is not too much time, but it’s not too little time either. It’s average and most people would be able to get involved. More than a week per devices it’s too long. That way people is going to learn Pulsar yes, but just before being buried.

Anyway, very happy to see you here, a nice welcome and thanks for your interest! J

Neil B, of course you can contribute, again, as said before, we are here to learn together, this is the very point of it! We are going to give and take and this is to become REACH! It would be great if you could work out something with Redsun in the future, your knowledge about this matter is precious, cos little of us, as far as I know, is into this side of things database staff.

Retro, what does it mean LMAO, please?

Hello Rvberkel, welcome on board and truly thanks for your interest! No brother, I’m no suggesting this study group as a “50” people only. We are more than 1000 people here! Why would we leave them out? Of course you are part of the 50, an even one of the 1028 members so far!

Rvberkel wrote: “Only problem is the time available (busy job/kid/wife) to actually commit myself to examine this'n'that in a fixed period of time. But I will try, honestly”

I think this is a very important point in fact Rvberkel, but this is not a problem! Everyone will participate depending on his own time availability, because nevertheless. While I’m writing it, you are probably sleeping and tomorrow, when you’re answering me, I’m dreaming with you! There are people from everywhere, and very busy people too, I’m one of them too! The good thing is that you can comeback and go on with the open threat. The fact that there is a new threat out there doesn’t mean you cannot participate or it’s closed. It means that people involved with a second or a third one, will go faster than you, that is all. If you go with the group at the same rhythm, I think is the best way, cos those are going to be riding the crest of the wave, while you are going to be behind… Probably not getting too many answers to your questions… A week it’s enough time for everybody, you’ll see.

Retro · Post by **Retro** » Wed May 01, 2002 3:50 am

Nestor: LMAO = Laughing My Arse Off

I was laughing at Caleb (in a nice way) because he's the funniest waffle iron I've ever seen!

Sorry, I'll shut up and get serious now

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Wed May 01, 2002 8:36 am

Ok Nestor I think a week per subject/device would be good. Not too long and still enough to learn.
I think this is a really cool initiative and of course I want to participate. Even though I'm not an expert at anything, and have only about two and a half years of music-making experience, I still know my way around midi, synths, and a bit of audio due to extensive reading on the internet

so if there's anything I can contribute, I will.
Ok so to get more clear on this learning thing, we are going to need some sort of "assignment" per device/subject so that the people participating will be working on the same things in the same way right? Or will it just be "free for all" kind of thing where everyone posts his/her experiences and questions about the subject?
I'm in favour of the assignment method as it coold be good to see how different people solve the same problem in different ways (which is often possible due to the flexibility of Pulsar). So then we have the next problem: who makes up the assignment? The one who is most experienced in the subject? Or as a group?

As for studying the synths, it might not be neccesary to study them all seperately because many of them follow the same principles and have the same ways of controlling. So if we study the Prisma, you are studying the same principles as Bluesynth, or MiniScope etc.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Thu May 02, 2002 11:19 am

To King of Snake:

I remember you well, you were just the "Snake" till somebody ripped-off your name and you changed it to King of Snake… yes… old times. You’re very welcome to this new idea King, thanks as well for your interest!

Certainly, a week per subject is a perfect balanced amount of time.

King wrote: “we are going to need some sort of "assignment" per device/subject”.

I think we have to find a middle point on this. Not too free but not too restricted either. I’m going to suggest a background line just to go into the details in a separate post, as well as asking a description of what we know best.

I think we have to do both, an assignment as individuals, adding to the forum what we are learning and understanding, ways of doing the same thing, and at the same time, to gather it as a group, probably extracting a final conclusion or compact information. BTW, this is something some members are going to do by the end, when creating a final database. (You can read about it in this forum)

King wrote: “As for studying the synths, it might not be necessary to study them all separately because many of them follow the same principles and have the same ways of controlling”.

Well, fortunately this is that way… This is a good point King, and this is like that for everything else we are going to study, cos FXs are in the same line, when you learn one, you have learned some principles that will be found again the other devices.

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Fri May 03, 2002 5:58 am

Heey, we could revive that thread on vocal synthesis.. There's a lot of info in there that's both practical and thoeretical. Actaully, a lot of the know how is stashed in older threads on Planetz, and we can get quite a good deal of info from searching them. And then we can bring them all here, in neat text, all categorized and stuff. That could be a good way to kick start the big bang.

nigeljacotine · Post by **nigeljacotine** » Fri Oct 04, 2002 3:45 am

These Ideas are all great. I am a major novice and am keen to learn and share any finding. I will be waiting.