it's a hoax.
make no mistake, i agree with your bottom line. the sad truth is that reducing co2 emissions will NOT save those reefs! CO2 is NOT killing reefs! using the ocean as a dumping ground for toxic waste is. where do you think that toxic industrial chemicals go? barren land? have you seen the earth? it's only barren around the cities, but NOT fromCO2. CO2 would make the land GROW. and the wheather? WHEN HAS IT NOT BEEN CRAZY? i'd worry a LOT more about CHEMTRAILS and HAARP(and similar energy weapons that superheat atmosphere by design)!kensuguro wrote:I'm not really sure its' a government conspiracy though.. it almost appeared to me that the government is trying its best NOT to deal with the issue by playing it down. The co2 thing was around much longer than the anti-warming theory so, I guess it's just the direction of the prevailing winds of hypothesis.
But, by disproving, or at least saying that co2 has little effect, the government can save a bunch of dollars because it's so expensive to reduce emissions. It's a catch. If they had to reduce emissions, nobody can really afford it.
Bottom line is though, whatever that can save the environment, I'd do. I'd hate to see my kids grow up in a world with unattractive reefs, barren land, crazy weather, and people who don't give a damn about keeping the planet beautiful. It's just a bad ideology to grow up with.
what's needed is less parroting of popular slogans and more attention to what the true Elite(psychopaths) are really doing. it's not a "government" conspiracy! it's a long term intergenerational Elite plan! read Plato's Republic!
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hubird
no.
he was a member of the Thule Society, Germany's version of Skull and Bones which both Georges and Prescott Bush were/are members, AND he was the iilegitimate grandson of the Rothschild patriarch.
the EXACT same laws as passed in the Nazi state are being poassed in america and europe these days(minus the racial purity laws), in the form of anti-terrorist laws(many forget that Hitler's true rise to power was through anti-terrorist legislation.....
Nazi Germany was a testing ground which proved many mind control techniques. how else does a nation of what were some of the most well educated, tolerant and genteel people in Europe suddenly become ignorant death dealers? no, Europeans'(and everyone else's) memories are too short. people poo-poo'd and shooshed those warning of corruption and bad times in the early days of the Nazi regime as well.
i've seen from the movie thread, that many love Japanese samurai and court dramas. how many times must the trusted and loyal servant fall on his own sword in order to protect the clan?
he was a member of the Thule Society, Germany's version of Skull and Bones which both Georges and Prescott Bush were/are members, AND he was the iilegitimate grandson of the Rothschild patriarch.
the EXACT same laws as passed in the Nazi state are being poassed in america and europe these days(minus the racial purity laws), in the form of anti-terrorist laws(many forget that Hitler's true rise to power was through anti-terrorist legislation.....
Nazi Germany was a testing ground which proved many mind control techniques. how else does a nation of what were some of the most well educated, tolerant and genteel people in Europe suddenly become ignorant death dealers? no, Europeans'(and everyone else's) memories are too short. people poo-poo'd and shooshed those warning of corruption and bad times in the early days of the Nazi regime as well.
i've seen from the movie thread, that many love Japanese samurai and court dramas. how many times must the trusted and loyal servant fall on his own sword in order to protect the clan?
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make no mistake, i agree with your bottom line. the sad truth is that reducing co2 emissions will NOT save those reefs! CO2 is NOT killing reefs! using the ocean as a dumping ground for toxic waste is. where do you think that toxic industrial chemicals go? barren land? have you seen the earth? it's only barren around the cities, but NOT fromCO2. CO2 would make the land GROW. and the wheather? WHEN HAS IT NOT BEEN CRAZY? i'd worry a LOT more about CHEMTRAILS and HAARP(and similar energy weapons that superheat atmosphere by design)!
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Agreed. I'm not sure of the details of co2, or which specific substance causes the most damage in the long run, but it is quite true that there are many, many more immediate threats that can be fixed that we already know plenty of.
make no mistake, i agree with your bottom line. the sad truth is that reducing co2 emissions will NOT save those reefs! CO2 is NOT killing reefs! using the ocean as a dumping ground for toxic waste is. where do you think that toxic industrial chemicals go? barren land? have you seen the earth? it's only barren around the cities, but NOT fromCO2. CO2 would make the land GROW. and the wheather? WHEN HAS IT NOT BEEN CRAZY? i'd worry a LOT more about CHEMTRAILS and HAARP(and similar energy weapons that superheat atmosphere by design)!
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Agreed. I'm not sure of the details of co2, or which specific substance causes the most damage in the long run, but it is quite true that there are many, many more immediate threats that can be fixed that we already know plenty of.
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@ Gary, you may be right with every consumption you make, but as a product of european social-democracy I have enough reasons to be positive in the long run ;-D
19th century capitalisme -seen as a class struggle- turned into a still human society more or less, at least in (the original) European countries, the rest will follow soon or later.
The elite organizes itself, but the counterforces will also.
History proves, and the world wide middle class will always chose for a form of social democracy.
You even see this happening in China already.
19th century capitalisme -seen as a class struggle- turned into a still human society more or less, at least in (the original) European countries, the rest will follow soon or later.
The elite organizes itself, but the counterforces will also.
History proves, and the world wide middle class will always chose for a form of social democracy.
You even see this happening in China already.
hubird, you forget what they did to the middle class in classical rome...
it began when ceasar crossed to rubicon and stationed his troops in the homeland itself. it ended with the burning and destruction of the middle class' cities by those very troops. the history books record those conquerers as "barbarians", but those who know the history know them as the roman legions; and when their job was done, these legions became the armies of the new emperors, the pope and his chosen political(sometimes vice versa) head of state, the germanic holy roman emporer, and those legions names were changed to priest and monk, the only people allowed to read and write and carry weapons, all in service to the same old state as ever.....
now, to finish "the great work", a new middle class has been allowed to florish among the serfs, but the plan is to take it all back soon. don't worry, the new chips will be wonderful! they'll aloow you to connect to everyone and everything instantly in your head! then you won't remember who you are or if it mattered anyway.
you need to actually read the works of Huxley Orwell and B. Russell and Plato and H.G. Wells and Thomas Malthus and Bentham(all important figures in government, not fiction) and then you'll have some idea of the plan and where you fit in. then you can act so superior like you know something. first you need to read "Morals and Dogma" and other handbooks of the elite and study the babylonian, egyptian and rosicrucian mysteries and learn the symbolic language used. then you'll know, your political "party" is a cruel creation of the elite themselves.
if you studied these people's actual works(and the others around them), you'd find that 19 century capitalism was planned long before it flowered and the result was forseen as well. sheep are herded. they believe that the shepherd is good. they know and trust him. he protects them from the wolf and they go where he directs them. sheep are stupid. they never even ask WHY the shepherd cares so much for them and WHAT he intends to do with them. they assume that their job is to live and be happy. the shepherd, however has plans. first, he will SHEAR the sheep for profit. next, he will SLAUGHTER many of them, again for profit. for the sheep's slaughter, every shepherd has a "judas goat". a judas goat is a trusted ram who has been trained. even the stupid sheep know that they do not want to go into the slaughter house. they can hear the pain, they can smell the fear, urine, feces and blood, but sheep will always follow a confident leader. on their own, the sheep will never consent to be massacred. but the judas goat leads the chosen sheep up the ramp to their doom, and then receives a treat from the shepherd later. the judas goat is confident in that situation, because he has done it many times and always lived....
culture is made from the top down.
btw-what's happening in China, is that the elite are moving there, woe to the people under old order. Rupert Murdoch is the latest high level figure to make his home there. all the biggest players are there and it is THEM who have built up china. what they have done is divest from the west, especially the United States, but also Germany and Britain and other places, and put all their new stuff in China. this is not because of some grassroots social movement, but because money and power wished it so.
it began when ceasar crossed to rubicon and stationed his troops in the homeland itself. it ended with the burning and destruction of the middle class' cities by those very troops. the history books record those conquerers as "barbarians", but those who know the history know them as the roman legions; and when their job was done, these legions became the armies of the new emperors, the pope and his chosen political(sometimes vice versa) head of state, the germanic holy roman emporer, and those legions names were changed to priest and monk, the only people allowed to read and write and carry weapons, all in service to the same old state as ever.....
now, to finish "the great work", a new middle class has been allowed to florish among the serfs, but the plan is to take it all back soon. don't worry, the new chips will be wonderful! they'll aloow you to connect to everyone and everything instantly in your head! then you won't remember who you are or if it mattered anyway.
you need to actually read the works of Huxley Orwell and B. Russell and Plato and H.G. Wells and Thomas Malthus and Bentham(all important figures in government, not fiction) and then you'll have some idea of the plan and where you fit in. then you can act so superior like you know something. first you need to read "Morals and Dogma" and other handbooks of the elite and study the babylonian, egyptian and rosicrucian mysteries and learn the symbolic language used. then you'll know, your political "party" is a cruel creation of the elite themselves.
if you studied these people's actual works(and the others around them), you'd find that 19 century capitalism was planned long before it flowered and the result was forseen as well. sheep are herded. they believe that the shepherd is good. they know and trust him. he protects them from the wolf and they go where he directs them. sheep are stupid. they never even ask WHY the shepherd cares so much for them and WHAT he intends to do with them. they assume that their job is to live and be happy. the shepherd, however has plans. first, he will SHEAR the sheep for profit. next, he will SLAUGHTER many of them, again for profit. for the sheep's slaughter, every shepherd has a "judas goat". a judas goat is a trusted ram who has been trained. even the stupid sheep know that they do not want to go into the slaughter house. they can hear the pain, they can smell the fear, urine, feces and blood, but sheep will always follow a confident leader. on their own, the sheep will never consent to be massacred. but the judas goat leads the chosen sheep up the ramp to their doom, and then receives a treat from the shepherd later. the judas goat is confident in that situation, because he has done it many times and always lived....
culture is made from the top down.btw-what's happening in China, is that the elite are moving there, woe to the people under old order. Rupert Murdoch is the latest high level figure to make his home there. all the biggest players are there and it is THEM who have built up china. what they have done is divest from the west, especially the United States, but also Germany and Britain and other places, and put all their new stuff in China. this is not because of some grassroots social movement, but because money and power wished it so.
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Bwuh !? Who will follow what and why ?!hubird wrote:@ Gary, you may be right with every consumption you make, but as a product of european social-democracy I have enough reasons to be positive in the long run ;-D
19th century capitalisme -seen as a class struggle- turned into a still human society more or less, at least in (the original) European countries, the rest will follow soon or later.
The elite organizes itself, but the counterforces will also.
History proves, and the world wide middle class will always chose for a form of social democracy.
You even see this happening in China already.
Have you seen the looks in the eyes of the people on our streets ? Can you actually say you believe the people will do something in the state they are in ?
They will follow the masses, and the masses gets their "what to think, what to believe, how to act" from the media.
you also assume there will be a choice. the whole idea is they are building the infra structure to take that choice away from us. sure sure, rebelion will follow, its such a positive view for the long run..... !??!?!
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hubird
800+ years ago Johann Friede told us the changes in whether at the end-time would be affected by man. His words here:
"When the time will come, in which mankind will face its last, hard trial,
it will be foreshadowed by striking changes in nature. Alternation between
cold and heat will become more intense, storms will have more catastrophic
effects, earthquakes will destroy greater regions, and the seas will
overflow many lowlands. Not all will be the result of natural causes, but
mankind will penetrate into the bowels of the earth and will reach into the
clouds, gambling with its own existence." - Johann Friede, 13th century monk
"When the time will come, in which mankind will face its last, hard trial,
it will be foreshadowed by striking changes in nature. Alternation between
cold and heat will become more intense, storms will have more catastrophic
effects, earthquakes will destroy greater regions, and the seas will
overflow many lowlands. Not all will be the result of natural causes, but
mankind will penetrate into the bowels of the earth and will reach into the
clouds, gambling with its own existence." - Johann Friede, 13th century monk
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hubird
that quote may look interesting, but that's only when knowing the recent climate changes.
I mean, I can't believe the man was speaking prophetical, I suspect it was 'just' intended as a warning for God's last judgement or something...leaving us to make rational solutions for a real threat (climatewise but also socio-economically, implementing wars on resources).
I mean, I can't believe the man was speaking prophetical, I suspect it was 'just' intended as a warning for God's last judgement or something...leaving us to make rational solutions for a real threat (climatewise but also socio-economically, implementing wars on resources).
the climate always changes. from the government's own data found here:
http://vathena.arc.nasa.gov/curric/land ... mchng.html
http://vathena.arc.nasa.gov/curric/land ... mchng.html
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that is wrong, wrong, wrong. 
the population is falling in "first world" countries. it's already at a crisis in Japan(not enough young people to care for the old) and it becoming a problem in europe. it's the countries where people die a lot that have the highest birthrate.
the earth is nowhere near max capacity...unless there is a super greedy class....
the population is falling in "first world" countries. it's already at a crisis in Japan(not enough young people to care for the old) and it becoming a problem in europe. it's the countries where people die a lot that have the highest birthrate.
the earth is nowhere near max capacity...unless there is a super greedy class....
living this way? probably not sustainable, but it's not you or i who is really wasting resources, our use is nothing. this stuff is much more the problem:
http://www.thepalm.ae/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Islands
http://www.thepalm.ae/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Islands
I can't believe you called something a " Hoax " Which is a deliberate attempt to decieve, possibly with malicious intent, by the International Scientific community,and differing point of views. What your doing is only scaremongering,which doesn't in fact contribute to anything, certainly not to any ongoing scientific research.If I wanted startling,misleading headlines,I read the SUN Newspaper.
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the "scientific community" does NOT believe in the official UN "global warming" theory. in fact, many of the scientists who signed off on the UN study have since claimed that their names were added to the list without their permission. that's the point of the study at the begginning of this thread, and THAT's what makes it a hoax.
this is the truth, even if it makes you mad at me to hear it....
this is the truth, even if it makes you mad at me to hear it....