Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:50 pm
that's right, in fact the second time of a situation of insolvency could be that...Shroomz wrote: OSX support is not the end of Scope
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:16 pm
Well, CW are most likely going to survive this in one form or another, so we're probably (or hopefully) safe, but the main concern shouldn't be about developement of drivers for OSs which change 3 times a year, it should be about the system security, registration, all the issues involved in that (and these are serious issues!)
If CW did actually just cease to exist, how would you transfer a plug, a board, a warrenty etc??
If CW did actually just cease to exist, how would you transfer a plug, a board, a warrenty etc??
Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:46 pm
of course, I know, I was just summing a few things that illustrated some consequences of the situation of insolvency at that time 
(You can't ignore OSX BTW if you're seriously operating on the market tho, but that's a different story).
Where does your optimism come from BTW?
I just see darkness here, not only because of Christmas eve...
Imagine a life without futurist DAS plugins, to name just one bugbear...
Maybe we will be dependent on MCCYRANO till the end of time for new plugs...not too bad btw
(You can't ignore OSX BTW if you're seriously operating on the market tho, but that's a different story).
Where does your optimism come from BTW?
I just see darkness here, not only because of Christmas eve...
Imagine a life without futurist DAS plugins, to name just one bugbear...
Maybe we will be dependent on MCCYRANO till the end of time for new plugs...not too bad btw
Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:13 pm
It comes from knowing that the platform can be improved on infinate levels just by an individual with the sdk.hubird wrote:Where does your optimism come from BTW?
That doesn't mean OS support etc, etc, bla bla, but it does indeed not hinder SFP developement in the slightest AFAIK.
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:18 pm
If CWA thinks this topic can be froozen untill their holidays are over they are too optimistic...johnbowen wrote: Please disregard this topic.
not really feeling more reassured now...
Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:27 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:00 am
Shocking xmas.Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:24 am
This hurts deeply. 
There are only two reasons possible for that:
0. SFP as PCI - card does not sell well anyway.
1. People still don't buy plugs from the shop even when prices drop to 50%.
2. ASB & Klangbox don't sell as well as it's needed for paying back the money.
A third reason could be a secret project which wasn't successfull fast enough...
The situation now just means, that someone will try to get money out of CW. This means trying to sell to another company or trying to get that Klangbox thing kicking. As far as I know it's only the first step what happens now and it's up to the boss of that procedure to get the money which is needed & if he's successfull buisness continues as usual.
Wouldn't it work to make some really nice advertisement and kicking out those boxes for even more cheap prices? I think it's way too early to expect some sideeffect on SFP from that klangboxes. There need to be sold many many of them to make many people want to buy SFP because the sound convinced them.
Martin
There are only two reasons possible for that:
0. SFP as PCI - card does not sell well anyway.
1. People still don't buy plugs from the shop even when prices drop to 50%.
2. ASB & Klangbox don't sell as well as it's needed for paying back the money.
A third reason could be a secret project which wasn't successfull fast enough...
The situation now just means, that someone will try to get money out of CW. This means trying to sell to another company or trying to get that Klangbox thing kicking. As far as I know it's only the first step what happens now and it's up to the boss of that procedure to get the money which is needed & if he's successfull buisness continues as usual.
Wouldn't it work to make some really nice advertisement and kicking out those boxes for even more cheap prices? I think it's way too early to expect some sideeffect on SFP from that klangboxes. There need to be sold many many of them to make many people want to buy SFP because the sound convinced them.
Martin
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:35 am
yeah, it's not the end of the world anyway - after the sun comes rain - and after rain comes sun, again...
but is there a kind of cosmic law that makes it happen every 3 years around chrismas ??
cheers, Tom
(keep it cool - I'll seize any speculations from my side of the screen)
but is there a kind of cosmic law that makes it happen every 3 years around chrismas ??
cheers, Tom
(keep it cool - I'll seize any speculations from my side of the screen)
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:38 am
really bad news.... 
but maybe the end is also the beginning for something new. We don`t know the details...
we`ll see.
I wish merry christmas to all and see you back in new year....
but maybe the end is also the beginning for something new. We don`t know the details...
we`ll see.
I wish merry christmas to all and see you back in new year....
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:04 am
Part of the problem for Creamware is that native solutions have caught up and the sound quality can be almost as good. 4 years ago, CW stuff was far, far better, now the improvement seems less and as CPUs get more and more powerful I think the writings on the wall - the only hope is if another company can buy Creamware and if all the software algorithms (and development environment) can be converted to run on native CPUs witn perhaps a dongle-type device to protect the software (Syncrosoft device seems to be the most successful).
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:25 am
if I were rich I would buy the company because I think (contrarily to what seems, on the bases of the recent insolvency facts) that the Scope system has a great potential.
The next step would be that to unite the firm with a mayor (i.e. yamaha, roland, behringer, etc.) and start to develope a new and more concrete marketing/advertising.
Then I would start with the development of new pci-e cards or Firewire (or better, external Serial Ata), more chips and more power and a new OS that improved the compatibility with Windows XP/Vista and OSX (something like UAD or PoCo).
I would to start an exclusive joint venture with i.e. Steinberg (that is german too) for a advanced version of Nuendo/CubaseSX with the handling of Scope cards (something like Constellation system).
Then a new group of software developer for new synths & EFX (even if Solaris and oters already existent things could be enough IMO...)
In this way I think that Protools could have a big (and powerful) competitor!!!
Don't forget the possibility to obtain the SDK as serious competitor to Reaktor.
Yeah, I know that in words seems all easy, but is clear that if CW don't go in joint ventures/fusions, the life could be short...
Cheers (i really hope that this bad new is a "false positive" indiscretion...)
Go CW, we are all with you!!!
The next step would be that to unite the firm with a mayor (i.e. yamaha, roland, behringer, etc.) and start to develope a new and more concrete marketing/advertising.
Then I would start with the development of new pci-e cards or Firewire (or better, external Serial Ata), more chips and more power and a new OS that improved the compatibility with Windows XP/Vista and OSX (something like UAD or PoCo).
I would to start an exclusive joint venture with i.e. Steinberg (that is german too) for a advanced version of Nuendo/CubaseSX with the handling of Scope cards (something like Constellation system).
Then a new group of software developer for new synths & EFX (even if Solaris and oters already existent things could be enough IMO...)
In this way I think that Protools could have a big (and powerful) competitor!!!
Don't forget the possibility to obtain the SDK as serious competitor to Reaktor.
Yeah, I know that in words seems all easy, but is clear that if CW don't go in joint ventures/fusions, the life could be short...
Cheers (i really hope that this bad new is a "false positive" indiscretion...)
Go CW, we are all with you!!!
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:37 am
Unsuccessful business! pz is the biggest commodity of cw and does they ever come to here telling “What do you need” or take any vote? Or what we’re looking for?? We have 3100 user!!MCCYRANO wrote:This hurts deeply.
There are only two reasons possible for that:
0. SFP as PCI - card does not sell well anyway.
1. People still don't buy plugs from the shop even when prices drop to 50%.
2. ASB & Klangbox don't sell as well as it's needed for paying back the money.
A third reason could be a secret project which wasn't successfull fast enough...
Martin
tascam gigastudio is only working with pc not with both. so why cw will not survive?
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:38 pm
i dont' want to think CW is over.
but if this very small possibility happens, then i will wait for some months, maybe an year and i will buy a 15-dsp board for some hundreds of euro...
anyway, let's hope for the best regarding CW and its staff!
merry christmas to eveyone!
but if this very small possibility happens, then i will wait for some months, maybe an year and i will buy a 15-dsp board for some hundreds of euro...
anyway, let's hope for the best regarding CW and its staff!
merry christmas to eveyone!
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:13 pm
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:45 pm
Yes I'll dream and dream and dream......perhaps us talking about all this is bad karma? Good thoughts my friends, the law of attraction may be in play here...
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:00 pm
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:00 pm
Looks like I should add something...First, I want to deeply apologise to Frank, Wolf, and the whole CW company, and this community. I have done some stupid things in the past, and I can only say, I did it again, and truly regret starting this topic.
Now, I don't have any 'inside information', or whatever, but reading through some of the other postings here makes me think that everything will come out all right. The ways of German business are a complete mystery to me, but I have a feeling CW will continue on better than before, to produce some awesome new products for the coming year(s)!
I would really prefer it now if John Cooper could remove this Topic, or at least, no one continues to post on it. I really feel things will be OK for CW - please don't give up hope!
regards,
john b.
Now, I don't have any 'inside information', or whatever, but reading through some of the other postings here makes me think that everything will come out all right. The ways of German business are a complete mystery to me, but I have a feeling CW will continue on better than before, to produce some awesome new products for the coming year(s)!
I would really prefer it now if John Cooper could remove this Topic, or at least, no one continues to post on it. I really feel things will be OK for CW - please don't give up hope!
regards,
john b.
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 11:03 pm
you're forgiven