VDAT?
Well I guess it's time for the old Alesis HD24/96 w/MC500-MKII. This is reliable as the sunrise on the east side of the planet. This is turning out to be alot of work, I thought the old DMP7,QX-1,and TX816 would do the trick. Now they have my SFP DAW #1, and my Alesis HD24/96, and 5 UE wireless 2 ways. Now I will have to be in two places at once. So much 4 the easy paycheck.
So It Shall Be Written, So It Shall Be Done,
So It Shall Be Written, So It Shall Be Done,
hi Jimmy, (and all VDAT users to whom it may concern 
)
I don't wanna mess things further, but I just had a 2nd look at the <a href=http://www.sawstudio.com/index_html.htm>SAWStudio</a> program line (you may even know it's developer Bob Lentini, who spent a significant time in Vegas as musician/engineer)
Anyway, for me it's THE mate of VDAT, in particular as there's a Midi Addon that runs in sync with the multitracked audio.
it's superfast in selecting and organizing parts of audiotracks - you immediately know that the developer must have been on such job at least once in his lifetime
I tried the same with a Samplitude 8 demo - no chance to even come close, but pain in the eyes from overcrowded dialogs...
SAW has a pretty hefty pricetag, starting at $300, $1200 and $2500 - but it's absolutely justified imho.
It looks rather humble (even a bit cheapo) on screen - the colors influenced by Vegas neons ?
The point is that your set of VDAT tracks is a unit, you cannot easily cut out or insert anything on individual tracks.
SAW does all it's tricks without actually modifying the track (of course it could, but it doesn't need to)
just check their videos, imho the learning curve is acceptable.
The keyboard shortcuts and modifiers make it that fast - don't expect to be as fast as Lentini in one of the videos, tho
cheers, Tom
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)I don't wanna mess things further, but I just had a 2nd look at the <a href=http://www.sawstudio.com/index_html.htm>SAWStudio</a> program line (you may even know it's developer Bob Lentini, who spent a significant time in Vegas as musician/engineer)
Anyway, for me it's THE mate of VDAT, in particular as there's a Midi Addon that runs in sync with the multitracked audio.
it's superfast in selecting and organizing parts of audiotracks - you immediately know that the developer must have been on such job at least once in his lifetime
I tried the same with a Samplitude 8 demo - no chance to even come close, but pain in the eyes from overcrowded dialogs...
SAW has a pretty hefty pricetag, starting at $300, $1200 and $2500 - but it's absolutely justified imho.
It looks rather humble (even a bit cheapo) on screen - the colors influenced by Vegas neons ?
The point is that your set of VDAT tracks is a unit, you cannot easily cut out or insert anything on individual tracks.
SAW does all it's tricks without actually modifying the track (of course it could, but it doesn't need to)
just check their videos, imho the learning curve is acceptable.
The keyboard shortcuts and modifiers make it that fast - don't expect to be as fast as Lentini in one of the videos, tho
cheers, Tom
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I've recently downloaded the demo - it's a bit hard to get your head around - very cluttered. I couldn't see how to set up software monitoring so I could listen while recording. Where are these videos? - that's what I need - I did look in the tutorials section but it was all audio and pics - couldn't see any vids.
agreed, it originally lead me to the usual 'wtf are they charging $$ for ???'
here's the <a href=http://www.sawstudio.com/LiveVideoPromo.htm>page with the vids</a>, I had only the 14 min BasicTour, tho.
I didn't try to record with it, as my concern is to edit VDAT tracks in the first place.
In my case I'd mark up the sections supposed to be used and collect them in a 'regions' list (as it's called) - which is as fast as...
select begin and end according to position in the file preview,
type shift-N,
type 'name' (or use the suggested label),
type Return.
Arrow left/right moves the pointer one pixel, with ctrl it jumps to start/end of the selection, all very quick, with proper centering on the screen.
It has an extremely convenient way of zooming in and out without loosing the pointer... etc
The afforemention list of 'regions' can be arranged in multi-track view with a lot of smart moving and grouping commands/shortcuts.
Some I've never seen elsewhere (at least not within such a dynamic flow)
The region list doesn't affect the physical file from which it is built.
Whatever item is doubleclicked, brings up the original file view and marked section instantaneously.
From all editors/sequencers I've tried, this one has the least annoyance factor - most are clumpsy in more than only one way (imho).
Probably because they are written by people who know a lot about mixing and producing, but have never been in it on a real job
Anyway, with my arranged (and cleaned up) multi-track, I might even record it back into VDAT (say in a 6 individual plus 1 (pseudeo)stereo track).
I haven't tried midi and automation yet, but I'm already pretty convinced it's the thing for me - it can save hours and hours and hours - and mousestrain on the forearms
But I didn't realize it's potential at a first (obviously too quick...) glance
cheers, Tom
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here's the <a href=http://www.sawstudio.com/LiveVideoPromo.htm>page with the vids</a>, I had only the 14 min BasicTour, tho.
I didn't try to record with it, as my concern is to edit VDAT tracks in the first place.
In my case I'd mark up the sections supposed to be used and collect them in a 'regions' list (as it's called) - which is as fast as...
select begin and end according to position in the file preview,
type shift-N,
type 'name' (or use the suggested label),
type Return.
Arrow left/right moves the pointer one pixel, with ctrl it jumps to start/end of the selection, all very quick, with proper centering on the screen.
It has an extremely convenient way of zooming in and out without loosing the pointer... etc
The afforemention list of 'regions' can be arranged in multi-track view with a lot of smart moving and grouping commands/shortcuts.
Some I've never seen elsewhere (at least not within such a dynamic flow)
The region list doesn't affect the physical file from which it is built.
Whatever item is doubleclicked, brings up the original file view and marked section instantaneously.
From all editors/sequencers I've tried, this one has the least annoyance factor - most are clumpsy in more than only one way (imho).
Probably because they are written by people who know a lot about mixing and producing, but have never been in it on a real job
Anyway, with my arranged (and cleaned up) multi-track, I might even record it back into VDAT (say in a 6 individual plus 1 (pseudeo)stereo track).
I haven't tried midi and automation yet, but I'm already pretty convinced it's the thing for me - it can save hours and hours and hours - and mousestrain on the forearms
But I didn't realize it's potential at a first (obviously too quick...) glance
cheers, Tom
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You are right, it was doing most of the hard disc recording in rooms here that would allow it w/o putting Union members on the street that is. Great bit of info. I shall check it out, as he and my friend Jim Gamble were doing automatiuon stints together.
So It Shall Be Written, So It Shall Be Done,
_________________
Jimmy V.
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So It Shall Be Written, So It Shall Be Done,
_________________
Jimmy V.
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I had a similiar way to work, that's why SAW caught my attraction.
No need to cut and paste, just marking the sections for arrangement is all that's needed.
If it turns out that something doesn't fit properly, one can shorten or extend the parts in the arrangement.
The original record remains untouched, very convenient.
cheers, Tom
2 jimmies in a row, funky
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No need to cut and paste, just marking the sections for arrangement is all that's needed.
If it turns out that something doesn't fit properly, one can shorten or extend the parts in the arrangement.
The original record remains untouched, very convenient.
cheers, Tom
2 jimmies in a row, funky
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Yo Brotha'Man Jimmypage,
You don't live up in Tahoe do you? The infamous guitarist from Led Zeppelin, who owned the club Legends I worked at. If so JPJones is quite active in the Kyma community, so you are now a Pulsarian? I must know if it's you. You would remember my group working there.
PM me if you are not on your boat.
You don't live up in Tahoe do you? The infamous guitarist from Led Zeppelin, who owned the club Legends I worked at. If so JPJones is quite active in the Kyma community, so you are now a Pulsarian? I must know if it's you. You would remember my group working there.
PM me if you are not on your boat.
I would have figured it out in a PM, as I worked with the man in Lake Tahoe. There are a lot of good guitar men up there. Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Jimmy Page, and believe it or not the Captain from The Captain And Tenille Band. He is quite a classical guitarist. Good to hear about Flexor 2. I'd like you to know that DAW #2 is a Flexor/SpaceF/John Bowen/Modular SFP box from hell. I plan to play the bitchinest sounding synths that our platform has to offer. You think I did it right this time with 45 DSP's?
Your Humble Servant,
Your Humble Servant,