When an update will become true ?
Hi all
I heard that they have no developers at all on Scope - ie, it is not supported, they only have some people who respond to emails (slowly). These people have to get advice from others, which takes ages. They said there is some vague plan to upgrade in a few years, perhaps when the new hardware scene has settled down.
I have had my share of bugs, I'd guess your problem is mixing an old P1 card with newer ones. Try and sell the old card and replace it with a newer one, or do without it altogether if possible. I now find I am using more native (PC) synths than Creamware ones, and use the Scope for mixing, effects, etc etc. For example, the new AAS String synth sounds *almost* as good as Scope Six String, certainly in a mix it is the same. They also do a very good Analog synth (each 200 US$ or so). There are loads of great VST synths now, which was NOT the case when Creamware arrived on the scene.
Try and find a stable setup and stick to it.
I have never had trouble with Optimaster, but Vinco goes weird sometimes (distorts, has to be reloaded).
Good luck!
I heard that they have no developers at all on Scope - ie, it is not supported, they only have some people who respond to emails (slowly). These people have to get advice from others, which takes ages. They said there is some vague plan to upgrade in a few years, perhaps when the new hardware scene has settled down.
I have had my share of bugs, I'd guess your problem is mixing an old P1 card with newer ones. Try and sell the old card and replace it with a newer one, or do without it altogether if possible. I now find I am using more native (PC) synths than Creamware ones, and use the Scope for mixing, effects, etc etc. For example, the new AAS String synth sounds *almost* as good as Scope Six String, certainly in a mix it is the same. They also do a very good Analog synth (each 200 US$ or so). There are loads of great VST synths now, which was NOT the case when Creamware arrived on the scene.
Try and find a stable setup and stick to it.
I have never had trouble with Optimaster, but Vinco goes weird sometimes (distorts, has to be reloaded).
Good luck!
Optimaster is definitely buggy, mine crashes SFP after 4-5 reloads. It's still perfectly usable, I just use presets instead of reloading projects, and I can work with it for hours, enough to get the job done. Since it's buggy, it's probably a better idea not to run it in a MultiFX or in your startup project.
There's a few other glitchy devices, but the SFP software itself is very stable. That's why they don't upgrade it. None of the glitchy devices are show-stoppers and are entirely usable. Usually there is a work-around.
So if you have crashes, it's definitely not a SFP-centric problem, probably more a software/hardware conflict, flakey motherboard (am I dreaming or those Asus P4P800 show up on glitchy systems alot?), conflicting/shitty drivers, etc. I've ran SFP/Pulsar on 3 different machines (with a few OS install on each) in the last 6 years, and it always has been the most stable part of my system. SFP, the part that runs on your computer, doesn't really need an upgrade, the last one was mostly esthetics and some performance improvement. The part that run on your computer really doesn't need an upgrade, only a few devices, none of which should prevent you from working properly. The samplers are pretty glitchy also, but definitely useable. If you need something more sophisticated, you'd be better off with a native sampler, as those will have a bit better access to memory than the DSP algos.
And yes geoffd, it's true, there is no developer at Creamware anymore. They've finally figured out that hiring a squad of Goblin TransDimensional Conjurers was alot cheaper (just feed em hamsters and other little innocent animals!), and now they just pull out those ASB boxes from dimensional portals. Much nicer!
There's a few other glitchy devices, but the SFP software itself is very stable. That's why they don't upgrade it. None of the glitchy devices are show-stoppers and are entirely usable. Usually there is a work-around.
So if you have crashes, it's definitely not a SFP-centric problem, probably more a software/hardware conflict, flakey motherboard (am I dreaming or those Asus P4P800 show up on glitchy systems alot?), conflicting/shitty drivers, etc. I've ran SFP/Pulsar on 3 different machines (with a few OS install on each) in the last 6 years, and it always has been the most stable part of my system. SFP, the part that runs on your computer, doesn't really need an upgrade, the last one was mostly esthetics and some performance improvement. The part that run on your computer really doesn't need an upgrade, only a few devices, none of which should prevent you from working properly. The samplers are pretty glitchy also, but definitely useable. If you need something more sophisticated, you'd be better off with a native sampler, as those will have a bit better access to memory than the DSP algos.
And yes geoffd, it's true, there is no developer at Creamware anymore. They've finally figured out that hiring a squad of Goblin TransDimensional Conjurers was alot cheaper (just feed em hamsters and other little innocent animals!), and now they just pull out those ASB boxes from dimensional portals. Much nicer!
I dunno, like I said it crashes on my system if I reload it more than 4 or 5 times. Other people have reported the same behavior. It's the only device I have that does this, and it keeps doing it even if I redownload it from my page on CW's site.
It's still entirely usable and works perfectly otherwise and I still love it, but it definitely crashes sometimes.
It's still entirely usable and works perfectly otherwise and I still love it, but it definitely crashes sometimes.
Do you put it in an insert slot? In this case you could try to load it outside of the mixer and see what happens.
Anyway, for all the insert fx, if you can put them outside of the mixer, it seems you have more headroom. Vinco, for example, sounds better to my ears if it's loaded in the routing window and put between the source and the mixer. Maybe these are subtleties, but all that makes a better mix is welcome!
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Anyway, for all the insert fx, if you can put them outside of the mixer, it seems you have more headroom. Vinco, for example, sounds better to my ears if it's loaded in the routing window and put between the source and the mixer. Maybe these are subtleties, but all that makes a better mix is welcome!
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Yep garyb, I used it for a few years without noticing any problem, I only noticed the crashing after someone on this forum pointed it out. I was a bit skeptical, but I tried and it indeed crashed after a few reloads. Might happen only when it's loaded as an insert, I haven't tried to make it crash in a while so I don't remember for sure, but try it for yourself and see.
I've stopped using it as an insert a while back anyway, as I find it's much more practical to have it sit outside, makes recording dry + optimized mixes at the same time much easier.
I've stopped using it as an insert a while back anyway, as I find it's much more practical to have it sit outside, makes recording dry + optimized mixes at the same time much easier.
So I guess Creamware does everything right and it's just the stupidity of musicians who are to blame for the dismal failure of Creamware to turn a profit.
On 2005-06-29 15:40, astroman wrote:
if people don't buy a $100 reverb that would easily yield $500-700 on other platforms, refuse a modular extension that doesn't even have a competion or long for a certain synth infection while more versatile, better sounding stuff is available for a fraction of the cost... just forget it...
cheers, Tom
The crash with optimaster is reproducible on several systems and already reported to cw.
steps to reproduce:
1. load a project and delete everything in it
2. load optimaster and save the project
3. now reload this project several times without restarting scope
-> it will crash after the 4th or 5th reload.
However, who wants to reload the same project several times ? I consider this bug not crucial at all.
@cream:
I've never experienced scope just closing without any alert (which I can't say from the win explorer). Isn't there some dialog popping up ? Windows can be very picky, if there's a wrong version of a dll sitting somewhere ..
Also it is important to run the correct (read latest) version of optimaster.
Regarding updates: for me this has upsides and downsides. It can fix or break something in your system .. even if only the workflow in affected.
And usually it takes time to apply it due to safety preparations.
best
Wolfgang
steps to reproduce:
1. load a project and delete everything in it
2. load optimaster and save the project
3. now reload this project several times without restarting scope
-> it will crash after the 4th or 5th reload.
However, who wants to reload the same project several times ? I consider this bug not crucial at all.
@cream:
I've never experienced scope just closing without any alert (which I can't say from the win explorer). Isn't there some dialog popping up ? Windows can be very picky, if there's a wrong version of a dll sitting somewhere ..
Also it is important to run the correct (read latest) version of optimaster.
Regarding updates: for me this has upsides and downsides. It can fix or break something in your system .. even if only the workflow in affected.
And usually it takes time to apply it due to safety preparations.
best
Wolfgang
Reply to stardust:
post from stardust:
@okantah
means:
do not expect unrealistic things if you claim to be realistic.
dont ask for fool proof systems that are mind bogglingly flexible and open.
dont blame others for your selfinflicted screw up, even if you did not intend.
..and
watch yourself if you are already a non reflecting zealot
apologies for the embarassing straightforwardness
[ This Message was edited by: stardust on 2005-06-28 14:16 ]
My experiment with CW products,I was able to found result exactly the stardard CW SAID concern their products, nothing more nothing less!With my experienced it work very wel due to the combination of knowledge i have accumulated,being the hardware,software configurations including the Creamware stuff.
Now where is your point if Im sharing my experienced with one who is in need of it?
Any person is entitle to hisher opinion,& one has right to challange that opinion,BUT not in the way you have present your self this time,right.cheers
post from stardust:
@okantah
means:
do not expect unrealistic things if you claim to be realistic.
dont ask for fool proof systems that are mind bogglingly flexible and open.
dont blame others for your selfinflicted screw up, even if you did not intend.
..and
watch yourself if you are already a non reflecting zealot
apologies for the embarassing straightforwardness
[ This Message was edited by: stardust on 2005-06-28 14:16 ]
My experiment with CW products,I was able to found result exactly the stardard CW SAID concern their products, nothing more nothing less!With my experienced it work very wel due to the combination of knowledge i have accumulated,being the hardware,software configurations including the Creamware stuff.
Now where is your point if Im sharing my experienced with one who is in need of it?
Any person is entitle to hisher opinion,& one has right to challange that opinion,BUT not in the way you have present your self this time,right.cheers
For me the trouble began when I purchased a second project card. Somehow the new card didn't communicate well with the older pulsar2 card. Luckily I solved this a while ago after trying all possible pci slot options.(not good for the cards.)I found one working option..(Intel d865perl board btw)
Errors & bugs: I've had/have lots of them. I killed all the errors but there are still some bugs left. When I notice a bug I immediately press the search on planetz.In all cases there are users that has these bugs. For me it's a sign that these cards are far from stable. I don't say it cannot function properly but what about all these users that have these problems? I have a great setup that is highly preferred for Creamware.I invested in a good system and I really know how to deal with these cards after 7 years.
But...I really love working with this platform. That's the only reason I didn't threw it out the window.
Errors & bugs: I've had/have lots of them. I killed all the errors but there are still some bugs left. When I notice a bug I immediately press the search on planetz.In all cases there are users that has these bugs. For me it's a sign that these cards are far from stable. I don't say it cannot function properly but what about all these users that have these problems? I have a great setup that is highly preferred for Creamware.I invested in a good system and I really know how to deal with these cards after 7 years.
But...I really love working with this platform. That's the only reason I didn't threw it out the window.
Because bugs exist software isn't stable and should be thrown out the window? Man I recall the bug list for NT5.0 (win2000). There's tens of thousands of the SAME bugs still in WinXP (5.1). Guess we should follow all the Mac users' advice and toss our pc's out too....
BTW never have problems with Optimaster here, but I also never use inserts.
BTW never have problems with Optimaster here, but I also never use inserts.
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Are you talking about Warp's Timeworks plugins?On 2005-06-29 15:40, astroman wrote:maybe you would (as an honest person), but there are world class 3rd party plugins available for bargain, whose unit numbers of sales can at best be called a shame...On 2005-06-28 19:00, Music Manic wrote:
If Creamware gave us option of things to update and price to do it,I would contribute.
Love this system.
if people don't buy a $100 reverb that would easily yield $500-700 on other platforms, refuse a modular extension that doesn't even have a competion or long for a certain synth infection while more versatile, better sounding stuff is available for a fraction of the cost... just forget it...
cheers, Tom
Very true SPirit, but what about a stable update ? It's not like they would start from scratch...
And it seems to me that no updates means developpement halted, end of product line.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Scope 4.0 was not more than a whole product line revamping along with a few optimizations. They added more free plugs in the package with a lowered price. They probably got more new pulsarians this way I hope. I think it was a very clever move.
I understand the need of stability and I choose this over the latest bells and whistles when something is totally new and it has not proved to be stable. But I always catch up sooner or later.. We love the technology don't we ?
Hopefully ASB boxes (Tried them at the Frankfurt Muzik Messe, they are great !) will bring some cash in, and give CW some energy to prepare a nice SFP 5.0.
And it seems to me that no updates means developpement halted, end of product line.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Scope 4.0 was not more than a whole product line revamping along with a few optimizations. They added more free plugs in the package with a lowered price. They probably got more new pulsarians this way I hope. I think it was a very clever move.
I understand the need of stability and I choose this over the latest bells and whistles when something is totally new and it has not proved to be stable. But I always catch up sooner or later.. We love the technology don't we ?
Hopefully ASB boxes (Tried them at the Frankfurt Muzik Messe, they are great !) will bring some cash in, and give CW some energy to prepare a nice SFP 5.0.
I think that's about right. Noah was "make or break" for the old Creamware and we know what happened there. I think the ASB boxes are "make or break" again for the new CWA. But it is odd how they persist with these other ideas and products and all the while good old SFP just chugs along faithfull, but ignored, in the background...