On 2004-05-13 16:10, antar wrote:
I see your point.
something like Scope light only I/O card and drivers. and then you can add your devices from the shop.
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this is for marketing Department to think if this is a viable solution for their company.
anyone remembers Luna ?
exactly positioned in this segment - it caused nothing but anger and frustration when the Pulsar/Scope software was updated on a regular base, but the Luna customers were (correctly) excluded because they hadn't paid for the software in the first place.
Luna was explicetely offered cheaper due of the lack of the 'big' software package, yet countless people claimed it was their 'right' to get the updated software for free.
ps @ Ashkenazy: I don't consider you one of the shouters and have no problem with the fact that we have different opinions about some items.
Well, It's also so that I not always agree to everything I say myself. A lot of times I say something and after some reactions I disagree with myself too! Sometimes my posts are more impulsive than well-considered. So don't take me always too seriously.
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Ashkenazy on 2004-05-13 18:20 ]</font>
something like Scope light only I/O card and drivers. and then you can add your devices from the shop.
it's a nice thought,but i'd bet that the cards really can't be sold a whole lot cheaper. the devices would probably be highly devalued, avery bad thing for a good platform(if it's too cheap,people assume it's garbage compared to the expensive version,i.e protools, regardless of the truth). maybe if credits for custom packs of a specific order(x number of studio plugs,y number of synths,z number of highend plugs), but that seems like a website disaster(think about the 50% deal times 1,000)..........
Complaining about the price for a Pulsar system is completely ridiculous IMO. If you went out and purchased software effects and synths that are equivalent to what is bundled with a Pulsar card, it would most definitely cost you more (and eat up your CPU power).
I look at it this way… You are purchasing a bunch of excellent effects and synths (at a lower price than you could buy equivalent high-quality VST plugins) – and getting a flexible mixing/routing system and DSP to run everything on for free!
(Not to mention, in most cases, the Creamware stuff is better quality than you will get from your VST plugins.)
If all you are looking for is a simple in/out card, then a Pulsar really isn’t the product for you, plain and simple. (Although, high-quality in/out cards can cost close to what a Pulsar card costs, and you don’t get the DSP stuff.)
As far as charging for transfers, I don’t like the decision - but I can live with it because everything else about the system is actually really an incredible bargain when you consider all of what you are getting.
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: huffcw on 2004-05-15 15:50 ]</font>
For what it's worth: I had an SB Audigy which was very nice. I used it with Sonar 2 and after about 5 plug-ins all hell broke loose. I got a Luna with SFP 3 after seeing a Project5 demo running on Scope. More solid, more plug-ins (DXi and VST) with no problems, ASIO2. Bought B2003 and Six-String. Ran out of DSP on the Luna. Loved the routing of SFP, was hooked. Bought a Pulsar II and just about all the software. Switched to Cubase SX. Crackles at around 25 VST plug-ins and 12 audio tracks. Bought a Power Pulsar. I now run the three cards in standard PC mode and can get upwards of 24 audio tracks with around 30 VST plugins without a glitch. Yeah, I went through the PC optimization, IRQ shuffles, etc., but after all that I have a studio that is flexible and dependable - not just a sound card. The CW effects are also quite stellar and I have replaced many "soft" plug-ins with the CW stuff - masterverb, delays, choruses, eqs - optimaster is fantastic on just about everything (I have taken masters from friend's released CD's and put it through optimaster and the added clarity, depth and presence blows their minds). I was able to purchase everything on sale or special deals through CW so I feel like I got away on the cheap. I have mostly everything coming in via ADAT I/O, with a couple of SP/DIF and AES/EBU and all the analog synth stuff coming in through a Luna 24/96 (purchased on ebay for $89) - I have zero AD conversion happening in the PC. My mic pres are through a Yamaha O1V (which come in through ADAT - and the O1V functions as a motorized control surface - and TC-Helicon Voiceworks (via Luna 2496). Most of my synth racks are ADAT or SP/DIF. I recently added a Behringer V-Amp Pro for Guitar via AES/EBU. I have been growing the setup for about a year (got the Luna in July 2003) and it's a nice process of adding stuff on pretty seamlessly. I'm not sure how it would work with other systems but the CW stuff seems to fit my way of working pretty nicely and expands and grows well with my needs. I am always pleasantly surprised when I try something new. The fact that it is a niche item doesn't bother me, the group here is very professional, knowledgable and dedicated. All told the CW stuff cost me less than $3000 which I think is pretty much a steal for what I've got.
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: ronnie on 2004-05-15 22:19 ]</font>
All I can say is that I've used TC Powercore, UAD1 and ProTools HD (TDM) DSP systems, as well as RME and Echo soundcards and the Creamware stuff is hands down still my favourite. Yes there are bugs. Yes there are a lot of plugins that I own which are unneeded/duplicates etc. But really none of these things matter.. the Creamware stuff is hands down the most flexible, inspiring and downright fun to use.
If anyone really thinks that Creamware is unfair then you should try checking out Digidesign sometime.. anyone who invested in a Mix system before the current HD systems has been told that there will be no more significant upgrades for their system - no Plugin Delay Compensation, nothing. Pretty awful considering the money they spent on it huh?
The Creamware stuff is incredibly cheap for what you get. The only people who think any different are those who have been brought up on warez (cracks) or 5490924 free mediocre VST plugins. Personally I think that this kind of consumer culture is killing innovation in the music tech industry... people wanting constant updates with 1000 new features that work without bugs for free.. and feeling angry if they don't get it. I think that if you don't see the advantages of your Creamware cards, then you should simply sell your cards and move on.
I am continually astonished at the bang for buck this platform gives - every time i switch on the machine, i wonder how i was able to afford such amazing gear (well, cw insolvency had something to do with it).
I am used to buying non-virtual instruments, and these cost real money (just my tuba alone would cost over $10,000 to replace).
Music is the only thing i outlay money for, and my living is made by that only, so in my narrow view, you just can't do better or even come close to this platform.
