Scope 4.0

Post by **hubird** » Sun May 09, 2004 3:25 pm

about my planned holiday in Italy and not willing to cancel it:
it refers to the Berlusconi,----.Schröder conflict, some time ago...
it's humor (well...), and meant to softening my own approach.
BUT SHOUTING PEOPLE...sorry, shouting people can't actually hear very well due to their own noise.

claudioD · Post by **claudioD** » Mon May 10, 2004 2:23 am

????? Well you said you had 3.1c so yes it's free.

No sorry but I'm not agree with you . I mean that it is right that 4.0 was free and I (and all CW users) have the rights to make complaints about the update.
Sonar released version 3.0 and 3.1 and 3.1.1 updates are free. It's normal! After you spend a lot of money it's normal that the Company (Creamware in this case) supports you at least for the basic software : SFP in this case. I don't want free plug-ings or other, but the main software MUST be free. Sorry this is my "buffoonery" point of view.

Well hubird's 'attack' was hardly the most vitriolic in internet history and he wasn't the one who started using expletives,

Yes , he haven't used expletives...only a WC...

Also using such phrases as 'fuckface' just demeans your argument and starts unnecessary flaming,

It was not my intention to make a flame post, but someone could answer in a politer way .

i think hubird was just expressing a view that since SCOPE 4 came out there seems to have been a disproportionate amount of antagonistic posts from new members.

He is the paladin of the Justice or Unjustice? What does it care to him ?
If there were a disproportionate amount of antagonistic posts perhaps there is a good reason for this. I'm really not a new member. I make few posts but I'm registered from november.

Whatever happened to "Hi i'm X from XX and Planet Z looks like a really cool place to hang." as a first post. Now it's "CW sux. SCOPE 4 sux. Stick it up your arse." which as an introduction is bound to get people's backs up. This is not directed personally at you, just giving you some background as to why some may be a little weary of such opening posts.

As I said before, being an "old member", I don't need to write "hello I'm from Italy, my name is.... my favourite hobbies are..." , I'm only explaing my point of view : in my opinion Creamware has made a false step releasing this fake update. I preferred to wait more time to have a real good update. It's only my opinion, am I free to tell it?

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Post by **garyb** » Mon May 10, 2004 2:37 am

well, i do like the word palladin.

ok you've expressed your opinion. everyone else has expressed their's and now what? we make music? talk about the weather?

the fight must be over as there doesn't seem to be a prize anymore.

claudioD · Post by **claudioD** » Mon May 10, 2004 2:38 am

we make music?

sure

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:33 am

OK so maybe you're never going to be happy with SCOPE 4, but try and look from CWA's perspective and you will see that if they didn't do this then the 'proper' update you want might not even happen. Why?

Well with SCOPE 4 and the rebranding of the Pulsar boards to SCOPE Home, SCOPE Project etc. CWA are rationalising their line, and hopefully also generating some press after CW's recent insolvency problems. Yes, they could have waited six months, by which time the rest of the world would probably think that CWA didn't exist anymore.

By doing this NOW they are generating interest in their products again, which means more sales, which means the likelihood that they will stay in business (which is something i think we all want), which means that there will eventually be a big update.

My main problem i suppose is that people seem to be complaining about an update from a version that runs fine (ie. 3.1c). Yes there are some bugs, but no real show stoppers and i've done some good work with 3.1c (well that's for the listeners to judge, i suppose

), the idea of a slightly optimised version of what i've already got doesn't. If you're happy with 3.1c then there's no reason to avoid 4 as far as i can see. i think maybe i missed your point.

i wonder if CWA had called it SCOPE 3.2 instead of 4 whether anyone would have batted an eyelid?

Anyway, like the man said, keep making music and keep coming up with some great English words

Mr A

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claudioD · Post by **claudioD** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:58 am

Well with SCOPE 4 and the rebranding of the Pulsar boards to SCOPE Home, SCOPE Project etc. CWA are rationalising their line, and hopefully also generating some press after CW's recent insolvency problems. Yes, they could have waited six months, by which time the rest of the world would probably think that CWA didn't exist anymore.

By doing this NOW they are generating interest in their products again, which means more sales, which means the likelihood that they will stay in business (which is something i think we all want), which means that there will eventually be a big update.

Yes , perhaps you're right, my point of view is different...

My main problem i suppose is that people seem to be complaining about an update from a version that runs fine (ie. 3.1c). Yes there are some bugs, but no real show stoppers and i've done some good work with 3.1c (well that's for the listeners to judge, i suppose ), the idea of a slightly optimised version of what i've already got doesn't. If you're happy with 3.1c then there's no reason to avoid 4 as far as i can see. i think maybe i missed your point.

I'm happy with 3.1 except for 2 or 3 reasons ( HyperThreading is one of them and the reason of my complaint ).
This is why I don't see the reason to release an update that is very similar to 3.1c .

i wonder if CWA had called it SCOPE 3.2 instead of 4 whether anyonw would have batted an eyelid?

I don't think so...I'm talking for myself

Anyway, like the man said, keep making music and keep coming up with some great English words

you can be sure of it !

by the way , I've found that word on my dictionary , so it exists , perhaps it is not used but it exists.

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Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Mon May 10, 2004 5:09 am

Oh yes, buffoonery is definitely in the English dictionary, although i have to admit it's not used much, so i want everyone reading this thread to try and insert this word randomly into any conversation you have this week (even if it's not in English) and see the reaction.

If you can insert the word paladin into a converstion i'll be doubly impressed.

Cheers claudio,

Mr A

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Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Mon May 10, 2004 6:40 am

eyesight wrote:

HI EVERYBODY

Make the effort, please - it's not very far to go...fully caps-locked postings are unreadable.

Royston

claudioD · Post by **claudioD** » Mon May 10, 2004 8:11 am

On 2004-05-10 06:09, Mr Arkadin wrote:
Oh yes, buffoonery is definitely in the English dictionary, although i have to admit it's not used much, so i want everyone reading this thread to try and insert this word randomly into any conversation you have this week (even if it's not in English) and see the reaction. If you can insert the word paladin into a converstion i'll be doubly impressed.

Cheers claudio,

Mr A

[ This Message was edited by: Mr Arkadin on 2004-05-10 06:27 ]

I'm very glad to make you happy with my English, perhaps you could do the same for me with your Italian

Kenf · Post by **Kenf** » Mon May 10, 2004 12:40 pm

Hi claudioD
You should have read other posts on this forum that dare to criticise Creamware, you would have realised that you would receive a personal attack. Some folks on this forum would be happy to be murdered in their beds as long as the ‘new’ Creamware audio did it and they did it for free……
I like the word buffoonery it is not used enough nowadays. If you call someone a buffoon in the UK it is kind of endearing, when you know yourself that you have done something stupid.
Regards
kenf

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Mon May 10, 2004 12:54 pm

I think that the point has been made again and again that this is a community of users, this is not Creamware's official board. We offer help for people that need it. There are many modular patches and devices here for free. It is a good place for learning more about your Creamware cards and how to use them better. It's even a useful place to report bugs to other users.. and while it's fine to report a bug, what's the point of saying "Here's a bug and Creamware are shit!"? What purpose does it serve?

What the regular users of this forum have seen too much of recently is 48900938 people coming on and saying "Creamware sucks, Scope 4.0 sucks!!". This gets kinda tiring after a while. It is not a productive or useful thing to do. We all have eyes. We can see what 4.0 is. There have even been a number of posts from people who know who have told the ranters time and time again that there are a lot of 'behind-the-scenes' optimizations which are not immediately apparent.

What we don't need or care about is yet another person coming on and spouting negative crap about Creamware. If any new user would have the decency and manners to do a search on the forum, they would see that there have been innumerable posts to this end. What makes them think that they're so important that yet another "Creamware is shit" post is warranted, or that we care?

claudioD · Post by **claudioD** » Mon May 10, 2004 1:40 pm

I think that you are exagerating the situation : nobody until now has said "Creamware is shit" , ok ? I think this is quite evident.
This is a board (GENERAL DISCUSSION) where users meet other users to discuss, ok?
This is what we are doing : discussing.
I've told my opinion , ok it was told before by other 150.000.000.000 users in 700.000 other treads, I DON'T CARE.

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claudioD · Post by **claudioD** » Mon May 10, 2004 1:45 pm

On 2004-05-10 13:40, Kenf wrote:
Hi claudioD
You should have read other posts on this forum that dare to criticise Creamware, you would have realised that you would receive a personal attack. Some folks on this forum would be happy to be murdered in their beds as long as the ‘new’ Creamware audio did it and they did it for free……

Sincerely I never couldn't immagine it!

I like the word buffoonery it is not used enough nowadays.

I like too

If you call someone a buffoon in the UK it is kind of endearing, when you know yourself that you have done something stupid.
Regards
kenf

Well this is what Creamware did in a my opinion : a stupid thing . Without malice... pls

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Kenf · Post by **Kenf** » Mon May 10, 2004 1:52 pm

Hi dArKr3zIn
I do agree that reporting bugs to CWA seems to serve no purpose. Normally bugs are reported so they can be corrected or at least acknowledged. It would be useful if Creamware had a known bug list on their site.
Many people do feel disapointed by the lack of feedback from CWA, I certainly do. I have never said that CWA is shit or sucks but have been called childish names for pointing out the truth. I feel real frustration towards CWA, they have a GREAT product but seem doomed to let it fail. Why is there no link on their site to the SoundonSound review? Mind you I have noticed some welcome additions to the site.
Regards
Kenf

Herr Voigt · Post by **Herr Voigt** » Mon May 10, 2004 2:13 pm

Perhaps CWA should post a small file "Whatsnew in 40.txt" or so? Would make some angry discussions unnessecary.
Btw, I think that CWA reads all threads in Z.

My 0.02 EUR, Thomas

claudioD · Post by **claudioD** » Mon May 10, 2004 2:19 pm

On 2004-05-10 15:13, Herr Voigt wrote:
Perhaps CWA should post a small file "Whatsnew in 40.txt" or so?

yes, they should have done it .

Post by **Guest** » Mon May 10, 2004 2:23 pm

Hi,
I thought they did say no major changes to 3.1c.

this is taken from the support page, third paragraph.

http://www.cwaudio.de/index.php?submenu ... rt&lang=en

(For existing users with version 3.1c there is no big change with version 4.0; beside the facelift on the new look.)

I read this over and over and there is one way of understanding it.

no new changes to 3.1c.

what is the fuss. if this is not what you wished then simply go back to 3.1c and email the cwa of your wish list for their upcoming fixes or version.

In my openion, what distinguishes this forum from other forums including the old CW forum which I hated very much. the true fact is that people come here to better their knowledge of Scope and /or to offer and share their wonderfull experinces with others. you can vent your frustration once a while. but let us do that constructively which evetually add to the knowdege we acquire here.
to simply come to this forum with few posts and start a fight with loyal CW users is not constructive. There are people here who are truly creamware advocates and all come here because it is a different type of forum.

maybe one day John, thinks of a new rule which contains something like unless you have offered some type of good advise to others or have at least x amount of posts you won't be allowed to call people names or lauches attacks that come at others dismay.

We see it all the time when first timers come here post profanity or YELL and disappear.

Maybe be there ought to be a place for such a thing. a devoted bitching/Yelling/UPPER CASE USING section of on this forum.

This will allow the rest of us not to have to go thru the pain of reading posts of upper case (YELLING) etc.....

PS: I hope I dont offend anyone with this post.

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Post by **hubird** » Mon May 10, 2004 8:54 pm

Words from my heart Antar, I'd wish john would know a way to handle this.

I'm not sure if Kenf knows what he's doing, but it's a stupid action anyway, and very insulting to those here who are contributing so intelligently to this place.
I even am not sure if ClaudioD understands what Kenf is saying.
But he himself makes clear his attitude:
As he says, he just doesn't care what other members of this forum think.
He just doesn't care!

I stayed away from the ClaudioD discussion, hoping he would learn from this thread.
'I DON"T CARE' he says, a few posts later in the same thread.

That's it.
I will not react anymore to any post of ClaudioD, and Kenf.
They just don't exist for me.
It's all I can do.
cheerz

claudioD · Post by **claudioD** » Mon May 10, 2004 9:02 pm

They just don't exist for me.

this is your attitude, EXAGERATED .

by the way...totally agree with Kenf...and for me this post is closed

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon May 10, 2004 9:15 pm

I stumbled across this product which seems a pretty interesting sound visualization tool - probably the Yamaha-green of their pages caught my attention

some statements of their FAQ might be enlightening in this context, specially regarding release dates and reliability...

http://www.baudline.com/faq.html#sb_live
http://www.baudline.com/faq.html#ALSA
http://www.baudline.com/faq.html#open_source_baudline

cheers, Tom

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