Mac - Sound Manager Source/Dest SFP 3.1c

Post by **hubird** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:59 am

@ Plato, hehe, no mac isn't Nirvana, and ok enjoy rubbing me in any mac problems, you're welcom, I must be irritating sometimes I guess

But seriously, one thing is for sure, and this is always my (obvious) point:
with a mac you can be sure about the hardware and its configuration (unless it's broken), and second, the software (the OS) is part of the total design.
To be sure about what you have (soft and hard and its combination) is worth gold to me if having problems.

Also, most problems can be tackled by creating new preferences...by throwing away some related and restart...see how the rather heavy looking problems of Blgrace are solved, isn't it miraculous that simple?

Nirvana? no, ASIO (sound) and OMS (Midi, 3rd party) are too vulnorable to say that, but it works very well in general, and if it doesn't you'll never need to worry about the configs

Besides, OS-X is there already

In fact, you say, When you buy a Mac, you get someone to fight your own battles thrown in? , well no

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But IF there is one being thrown in it is the mac itself, coz you don't have to doubt about your machine itself!
That isolates the problem to itself, for me that's gold coz I'm a computer moron

Can you imagine the words tweaking as well as mobo are hardly known with mac owners??!
There simply are no IRQ, ACPI, HT and mobo issues, all of that just because of the integrated approach of a mac.

Now I was irritating again...
cheerz folks, never intending to offend, always feeling compassion with those who seem to get lost without being to blame

And full respect to those who seem to have controll on computers and wanne share their knowledge so generous

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[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2004-04-08 18:13 ]

Plato · Post by **Plato** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:41 am

Hey fellas,
No harm intended....I suppose I'm just exercising the right to defend my decision to buy a PC......not that I have any allegiance whatsoever to global parasites like Microsoft....I imagine if I could afford a Mac, I would be defending them to the bitter end, but alas, I am but a humble musician trying to get the best performance per pound, and I think the PC wins there (if you can get the buggers working).
I have gone through the mill over the last few months trying to get my PC settled, and at last I am there..... of course I can see the benefits of the Mac way of working, but in truth, it's been quite fun working out how to do it.....bloody frustrating/time-consuming/fatiguing, but I certainly know a lot more about the workings of PCs, and have a (mild) sense of achievment (albeit in my own little geek world).
But hey, at the end of the day, it's the music that counts, not what system you did it on......Let's just have a bit of fun on the way ?

Post by **hubird** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:24 pm

AudioIrony · Post by **AudioIrony** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:59 pm

Actually.... after all this experimentation I have still come to the conclusion that it really is an SFP problem... I mean, deleting a few prefs here and there really didn't do anything.
what really happened was that when I made a minimal system I accidentally disabled all the QuickTime extensions - which in turn disabled the Appearance Control panel's ability to render a DeskTop Picture.
So... it turns out it was the fact that I had a picture as my desktop background that caused SFP window drawing to choke and spit.

If the SFP environment utilised better routines/ technologies to draw windows in the first place I bet I wouldn't have these problems - I'm not sure here - but I bet it doesn't use OpenGL. I only need to look at the sudden increase in size of my system in memory when SFP is running to know that it's doing something non-standard!!!. Given that Macs running OS 9 are very prone to memory fragmentation problems, one program with a memory leak can cause havoc.

EVERYTHING else seems to manage to run fine even if I have a movie playing my Desktop. Not that I do this routinely, I just know I can.

I mean. come on - I can have a DVD Movie playing as my desktop background, run Cubase, be on the net and play a game - all shared across the two monitors - and no problems redrawing windows in sight. SFP chokes and vomits because I have a picture as my desktop.. WTF!!!!

The graphics cards I'm running aren't the latest and greatest, but they aren't crap either. I have an AGP NIVIDIA with 32mb of ram and an older PCI ATI ORION with 16MB of ram. Seems plenty enough to run silly shoot 'em up games at high frame rates, movies and redraw windows of all my native OS 9 applications without so much as a burp, fart or any other signs of graphics constipation.

Hmmm... OK, rant over. I'll go stick my head in a bucket of paint if some Mac user tells me now that they have none of these problems running two monitors with desktop pictures activated

Roll on Scope 4.0 for OSX is all I can say - I'm over OS9.
Oh, it's Good Friday....

[ This Message was edited by: blgrace on 2004-04-08 20:21 ]

borg · Post by **borg** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 2:44 am

mmm... which color's your pick, brett?

i'm pretty sure, the only graph problems i'm having, is when ableton live (or cubase) are pushing the cpu limits and screen redraws are slooooow, or even make the system totally not responding.
ok, i have to admit i don't have a desktop picture on my daw partition, i'll give that a try tonight when i get back from work.

b/w g3, 450Mhz (a much slower system than yours), ati radeon7000 pci version, two monitors (20" + 17" tft), sfp3.1c, os9.2.2... mostly i'm using the pc laptop (PIII 1Ghz) for sequencing and the mac for sfp only nowadays. although these are old and relatively slow machines compared to todays standards, this is a really nice and workable setup.

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 9:31 am

On 2004-04-08 09:41, Plato wrote:
But hey, at the end of the day, it's the music that counts, not what system you did it on......Let's just have a bit of fun on the way ?

3 x YES

AudioIrony · Post by **AudioIrony** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 9:38 am

it's hard to type with my head in a bucket of Candy Striped paint - all I can say is since I removed the desktop pictures I no longer have graphic issues.

Like I said - I haven't done a clean install of my DAW for 3 years - and I REALLY don't want to - just F!@%ing about with NI Absynth2 registration hoops ALONE turns me off the idea completely. Then there's the setting up OMS and then finally on to reinstalling Cubase all the updates for VSTi's... AAAAAARRRrrrrGhhhhhhh!!!! over it.
The sooner I can delete OS 9 from my digital life - the happier I will be.

I would like to hear how your system performs with desktop pictures - but probably only if it turns to shit

- otherwise I'll be formatting and reinstalling everything because I won't be able to deal

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 9:59 am

I don't use desktoip pictures because I like it to be grey. Just grey. I once used to have a grey scalled Pulsar desktop and perhaps there was a time I had also problems with graphics. But I got rid of it when an SFP update came (or it was Pulsar 3.x?) then I clean installed system , got rid of my desktop picture and fresh installed the Pulsar update. Hehe, I thought it was jsut the ulsar software update that helped with the problem! But probably it was the desktop picture removal!!!

AudioIrony · Post by **AudioIrony** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:14 am

On 2004-04-09 10:59, samplaire wrote:
I don't use desktoip pictures because I like it to be grey. Just grey. I once used to have a grey scalled Pulsar desktop and perhaps there was a time I had also problems with graphics. But I got rid of it when an SFP update came (or it was Pulsar 3.x?) then I clean installed system , got rid of my desktop picture and fresh installed the Pulsar update. Hehe, I thought it was jsut the ulsar software update that helped with the problem! But probably it was the desktop picture removal!!!

I was a plain Grey guy myself for ages and only recently started putting jpgs on my desktop - so I guess that really was the issue. I've moved to a Stately Dark Azul and all is still well in SFP land

Try this trick - open a mixer, move it to your second monitor then close it. Now double click to open it again, watch what happens to your screen redraw speed and where the mixer is (eventually) placed.... very sad

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[ This Message was edited by: blgrace on 2004-04-09 11:23 ]

Post by **hubird** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:27 pm

I also never use desktop picts, I like it clean

But this thread made me consious about the link between Quictime extensions and graphics behaviour

it's almost a pity that CWA OS-X support is coming... it will be the end of OS9

Yet OS-X will be a milestone! I'm gonne love it

AudioIrony · Post by **AudioIrony** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:41 pm

Oh, I LIVE for the day that I'm running OS X exclusively.
I can't wait to bury OS 9!!!