The monster of atomic war is upon us, again...

[garyb]

Nestor, the managers intend to reduce human population to 500 million. how can that be done without wholesale slaughter? relax. it doesn't matter what you think.

[jksuperstar]

You must be referring to the Georgia Guidestones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

[hubird]

The world is no longer what it used to be.

a nonsensical statement of someone who thinks that history starts with him starting to read the geopolitical news.

Was the world ever what it used to be?

[Nestor]

The world is no longer what it used to be.

a nonsensical statement of someone who thinks that history starts with him starting to read the geopolitical news.

Was the world ever what it used to be?

Are you talking to me? Well, I don't think you are actually; you are talking to yourself in front of the mirror or your own ideas, as you are “translating” my words to a meaning I didn’t intend, you are clearly trapped in a group of negative emotions (of your own creation) and you want to drag me there, under your dirty umbrella… Sorry, but I don’t like your house, so I will politely deny your invitation, I am not interested in your eternal war of words.

What would be truly interesting to find out here (particularly for your own understanding of who you are), it is “WHY” you get so angry with me, and “WHY” you react with so much violence? What is it that my words have to get you in such a negative state of mind; this is what would be interesting to find out, but this is not my job, it is yours…

Anyway, if you are such a knowledgeable person as you present yourself to be through your complaints, why are you reading me, why are you so masochist? Go with your equals; go with the super-minds of your class, so you do not have to read "stupid things", as you believe they are.

[Nestor]

Now..., let get to some serious stuff here

This is what Albert Pike wrote in his letter to Mazzini about the war that is coming to be today, and this is exactly what is happening:

The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion. We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.

[hubird]

shouldn't you - as a moderator - stay out of the heat of this controversial topic?
It's already discussed to the bottem, and it looks like it devides Planetz in two camps, roughly divided in a European and an American part..
This doesn't seem to bother you, if you noticed at all.

Who needs a Prophet Of Doom on planetz?
Since you dived into geopolitics in combination with conspiracy shit you seem to like to 'warn' the World against Hell and Doom.
You think the rest of the world doesn't read newspapers or doesn't see good programs on tv programs like in European countries at least?
We are still rather well informed, so we don't like those doom prophets who are stalking us with nonstop attacks of pedantery.
You are causing the anger by your irritating behaviour on a worldwide musicforum with your troubled view on politics which you just discovered.
Spare us your discovery journey, stop bombing us with your newly adopted insights.
I don't eat your stuff, it has no depth or critical approach if you ask me.
But most important: try to stay above the daily discussions on PLanetz, as you are a moderator.

[Nestor]

Nestor, the managers intend to reduce human population to 500 million. how can that be done without wholesale slaughter? relax. it doesn't matter what you think.

I don’t agree with you Gary, it does matter what you and me think, of course it does! How can you relax facing up this madness? All on the contrary, we have to act in favor of people and real values now, helping each other a lot, becoming more human than ever before.

A war like this one is threatening the very meaning of being a “human being”, if we take it lightly and just relax for whatever reason: fear, depression, sadness, etc., we would be doing what Quakers did when the Mexican looters came to rape their families… you cannot just seat and watch, can you? You have to do something, even if you lose your life trying to defend your family! Our situation is similar and we have to fight this war with the weapons of “mass-construction”, like this modest thread, which is only looking for some awareness among people that are not yet aware of what is going on, so we use some goodwill to talk to each other and understand, sharing knowledge, sharing understanding, sharing our souls hopefully.

I feel an strange resistance from people when talking about this possible war, I understand that there is a psychological halt somewhere, a self-defense mechanism where we do not want to accept that something like this could happen. We tend to think that something that has never happened before will never happen in the future, like tens of nukes flying our sky in a sudden. But we, the people of this 21st century, are psychologically ill people, sensitively unbalanced people ready for a fight at any time, and are capable of that and much more.

When I say “we”, including everyone and myself, I do it entirely in purpose, because I believe firmly that mankind is psychologically ill: violence, anger, self-sufficiency, dishonesty, exploitation, sexual degeneration, perversity, torture, jalousie, disgusting competence, and thousands of other distortions exist within us. These seeds exist within each one of us and it is obvious today that we are, physically, psychologically and spiritually degenerating as a race. I could pass entire days giving you proves, evidences, that we are degenerating and becoming worse people with the years. Of course, there is an enormous rejection to this idea in general, a huge resistance, as most people believe the best of themselves because they don’t know themselves. We all tend to believe we are much better than we actually are, this is known by any psychologist. It is curious that when someone believes of himself to be perfect or without defects (what is truly laughable), they are always less “human” and “colder” than those who maturely can see and accept their own defects. It is too easy to complain against the regime, against politicians, against the world as a whole against the rulers of the world, washing our hands entirely, avoiding the responsibility of our disastrous social and human life, totally unfair. We have all participated in the world we see today, this is and incontrovertible truth. We all participate when we use petrol, when we hold a very small cell phone build up with coltran, when we buy extremely cheap products that goes against our fellows in our country, when we earn ridiculous amounts of money doing very simple-little jobs while others earn a miserable wage doing lots of efforts, every time we go with the trend exploiting nature like crazy, when we get dirty the peak of a mountain. We all participate in the evil of this world every time we see anything related with pornography, as there is pain, and more and more pain behind what it seems to be pleasure., denaturalization of our instincts. There is evil every time someone buys drugs helping the mafia of this world growing stronger and stronger, when you get something to go high, there is possibly a policeman out there that will go down, yeaa, it’s not your problem, but you are participating unwillingly in all this.

We need to change, so no excuses, and no blind eyes to what we are and what we have done through many centuries to this world.

Of course, I will never compare the evil that exists within the rotten hearts of those bloodthirsty people that are behind the big picture, those who care nothing about anything except themselves, cruel as cruelty itself, those who prepare the wars, the strategies, the food to kill, with us, “street-people”, but we are participating in the state of this world, so we need to change within and without.

[Nestor]

shouldn't you - as a moderator - stay out of the heat of this controversial topic?
It's already discussed to the bottem, and it looks like it devides Planetz in two camps, roughly divided in a European and an American part..
This doesn't seem to bother you, if you noticed at all.

Who needs a Prophet Of Doom on planetz?
Since you dived into geopolitics in combination with conspiracy shit you seem to like to 'warn' the World against Hell and Doom.
You think the rest of the world doesn't read newspapers or doesn't see good programs on tv programs like in European countries at least?
We are still rather well informed, so we don't like those doom prophets who are stalking us with nonstop attacks of pedantery.
You are causing the anger by your irritating behaviour on a worldwide musicforum with your troubled view on politics which you just discovered.
Spare us your discovery journey, stop bombing us with your newly adopted insights.
I don't eat your stuff, it has no depth or critical approach if you ask me.
But most important: try to stay above the daily discussions on PLanetz, as you are a moderator.

I have personally explained you that I am not a moderator; I only take care of the forum perhaps for a few days once a year when John is abroad, sometimes not even for that time. I have explained you it clearly, I took my time to explain it to you through a PM with respect and care, so why are you referring to it as if you have never heard my explanation before? I am only a member of Planet Z just like you are, and eventually, I will help holding the forum when John is away. Why you didn’t understand this simple explanation, why are you insisting with this? You are throwing at me some serious bad will, for free. You asked me and I answered you clearly, perhaps there is not any value in the words for you? For me words are important!

You are talking in a plural way. This is a psychological tactic to try to convince others making them think that “they” are thinking exactly the same way “you” are thinking, so the entire “Planet Z community” is talking to “me”, through “you”. You are not being honest. Why are you doing this? This is mental abuse and a lack of respect to your fellow Z friends. I would not dare to treat them like idiots, but you are doing exactly that Hubird, making them believe that it is me. They are grown up people and can speak for themselves if they wish to do so, they don’t need a new father to speak for them, as they already have one, just like I do. I decline your invitation for a fight; I am not interested, not the least in this kind of “non-communication-endless-fights”.

I want to ask you to please, not writing me any more PM with insults; I will not read or answer them anymore. Don’t speak for others as they have their own minds and thoughts. Don’t insult me anymore as there is no need for it. We can communicate instate of insulting. Defend your point of view if you want to, but in a fair way, without dirty strategies, with honesty and through a fair play.

You don’t need to visit this thread anyway, you are not been send mails to your inbox; you are “willingly” entering this particular thread that bothers you, reading someone that bothers you, (entirely at your own fault). Why are you doing it?

The divisions you see among Americans versus Europeans are only in your mind, if you don’t believe me, ask for yourself to the members that visit this thread if they feel such a division.

Please, don’t come anymore to this thread if you don’t like to read it, after all, you didn’t open this thread yourself, I did. I am not invading a threat of yours not letting you be yourself, it is you the one that comes here full of anger, get against the wall, then complaint. If you don’t see my goodwill behind what I am doing right now, you are not seen anything.

I have not political inclinations of any kind, because I do not believe in politics first of all. Second, I do not know much about politics. Third, I don’t know much about anything; I am someone in love with humanity, people, and communication, deep-thoughts, that’s all.

You are interpreting my life as if you where my father, not even my own father new me as you pretend to know me. Please stop.

[dawman]

Threads in the virtual world are great I think. Nobody really gets hurt, but the anger can be turned into motivation.
I think I'll compose a song of Gloom and Doom with sound effects too, like exposions, Helicopters, Artic winds from a barren land after a nuke......

I'll see what I can come up with. Lots of dissonance, with no returning to the Major inversions.
Weather Report was so seductive as they would have these miserable melodies and mayhem, then a slide of the Fretless into a Major inversion, usually from Zawinuls Rhodes w/ Phasers and suddenly the sounds of promise and utopia.
What a great climactic band that was.
yeah, I'll just keep it miserable and dissonant, a descending whole tone scale ending like leaves falling, etc.

Earth made a Koolio Kick module, I'll throw that in too.

Cheers.

[garyb]

The world is no longer what it used to be.

a nonsensical statement of someone who thinks that history starts with him starting to read the geopolitical news.

Was the world ever what it used to be?

was the climate ever "stable"?

[garyb]

Now..., let get to some serious stuff here

This is what Albert Pike wrote in his letter to Mazzini about the war that is coming to be today, and this is exactly what is happening:

The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion. We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.

that's a good one.
they've got a stone in the UN building room too...

i could elaborate further, but it just gets too ridiculous.
you know, Nestor, Lucifer is the bringer of LIGHT!
you should watch your own speech from here on out...

[garyb]

shouldn't you - as a moderator - stay out of the heat of this controversial topic?
It's already discussed to the bottem, and it looks like it devides Planetz in two camps, roughly divided in a European and an American part. blah blah blah try to stay above the daily discussions on PLanetz, as you are a moderator.

no, you do that division. i get along with Europeans quite well. i recently had a very nice time with Germans and an Austrian in my house. in spite of my lunacy, we all got along very well and agreed on many points and disagreed on others. it was no problem. in fact, i see SOME Europeans value personal freedom and sovereignty for the masses, not just the nobles as much as any American. some aren't even afraid to own guns. some Americans want the state to take care of everything so that they can pretend that life is safe and that their "betters" really love them as any serf who loved his lord with all his heart would. life is not back and white.

this is an OFF TOPIC forum and even a moderator can speak his mind, until the forum is closed to such talk. what are you so afraid of? how are you threatened? he's just saying that he doesn't want a war. some of us joke about it, some reassure him that we'll be ok and some worry, worry, worry. these are the people who enjoy such conversations, even if you see no value. those who dislike such topics are NOT required to read any further.

[next to nothing]

The only thing i really don't understand, Nestor, is why you always focus on the freemasons, illuminati etc. to be the true enemy. You seem to have locked your position as to what is really controlling the world based on "information" either given to you by some other "informed" person or found in a forum consisting of other people who " knows what is really happening". In example i think you didn't just stumble over Albert Pikes correspondence. I think you should be aware that these forums and authors are just as much as "elite" as the ones you may think are your enemies.

They make you sit down, researching whatever they tell you to research, making you blind for what is really going on around you. You spend your time depressed doing nothing, and as i think you are a person who is engaged in his society, this isn't good for you. These societies actually make you a passive "consumer" who just conclude the world is evil, run by an untouchable enemy you cant do anything about. I'd much rather have you working in (as an example) politics where you can actually understand there IS a possibility to make a change.

Half a year ago we had a lunatic killing 77 kids in a political youth camp here in Norway. The day after i think there was 5 different "conspiracy theories" claiming Israel was behind it, the freemasons was behind it, he was a brainwashed dude from the gouverning party programmed to boost the popularity of the party etc. Some of these theories was fronted by "renowned" know-it-alls. People strive to find explanations for what they cannot understand, and these "elitist" authors/"experts" hand it to them. For a reason.

[Fluxpod]

[Nestor]

Threads in the virtual world are great I think. Nobody really gets hurt, but the anger can be turned into motivation.
I think I'll compose a song of Gloom and Doom with sound effects too, like exposions, Helicopters, Artic winds from a barren land after a nuke......
Cheers.

You're crrazy man... that was hilarious. It is a very powerful atmosphere

[Nestor]

The world is no longer what it used to be.

a nonsensical statement of someone who thinks that history starts with him starting to read the geopolitical news.

Was the world ever what it used to be?

was the climate ever "stable"?

What i meant is that a few decades back, we have not this web in which we are through globalization, this is the meaning

[Nestor]

The only thing i really don't understand, Nestor, is why you always focus on the freemasons, illuminati etc. to be the true enemy. You seem to have locked your position as to what is really controlling the world based on "information" either given to you by some other "informed" person or found in a forum consisting of other people who " knows what is really happening". In example i think you didn't just stumble over Albert Pikes correspondence. I think you should be aware that these forums and authors are just as much as "elite" as the ones you may think are your enemies.

They make you sit down, researching whatever they tell you to research, making you blind for what is really going on around you. You spend your time depressed doing nothing, and as i think you are a person who is engaged in his society, this isn't good for you. These societies actually make you a passive "consumer" who just conclude the world is evil, run by an untouchable enemy you cant do anything about. I'd much rather have you working in (as an example) politics where you can actually understand there IS a possibility to make a change.

Half a year ago we had a lunatic killing 77 kids in a political youth camp here in Norway. The day after i think there was 5 different "conspiracy theories" claiming Israel was behind it, the freemasons was behind it, he was a brainwashed dude from the gouverning party programmed to boost the popularity of the party etc. Some of these theories was fronted by "renowned" know-it-alls. People strive to find explanations for what they cannot understand, and these "elitist" authors/"experts" hand it to them. For a reason.

Thank you Next to Nothing, I really appreciate your ideas talking to me in a thoughtful way, I wish everybody would speak in such an intelligent way as you do.

Let start by the emotional side of things: Look, I’m the average guy, I don’t know much about anything, I am sincerely looking for the truth on this situation and I am eager to share with others, I appreciate respect and love between people very, very much, I enjoy awfully much any whatsoever manifestation of friendship between people, not necessarily with me, but among them too, it simply makes me happy. For instance, I don’t personally know Gary, but I love this guy, I feel him as a friend, and in a way, it is like I can feel who he is whiting himself, and I don’t care if he is a stubborn long hair bitch!

The war: Since I was a child I could feel that something bad would happen to us in the future, I didn’t know anything I was just a little kid, but I already felt it. Then I studied the first and second wars and many other things related to them. Wow, it was such a terrible experience to get to know how far we had gone destroying each other through violence. Then I got interested in spiritual matters, meditation, philosophy, science, social matters, charities, etc., and by contrast, I started to see that the world we live in is not the world we should live in, I realized we could have a much better life just changing a couple of insignificant things, but because of egoism, we did not. So I found a double nature within people, within us, and this nature is divided into good and evil, or inferior superior, or whatever you may calls it. I can’t tell you much beyond that. What I can tell is that it has happened in my life, many times, that my feelings were matched with many coincidences I have had with 100% accuracy. I know that when I feel something in such a strong way it is because is going to happen, and by experience, I ended up trusting my instinct, because it is accurate and real. Call it “intuition” if you like, that would be the closest way to see it perhaps, the important thing is that it happens to me and it is every time real and accurate.

I don’t base myself in any “unique” theory or group, or forum, or news. I know that something big is coming by myself, so I feel compelled to share it immediately with others. What you should not do, is taking me as somebody who knows it all, or something like that. I know this war is inevitable, that is what I know, then I see in the news, everywhere, the coincidences of it in relation to what I feel, and it is amazing, because the coincidences are many. I feel it will develop without stop, and I’m looking for the details about how it will go on, and when is it going to start.

Then I like to talk with Z people here, because you are much more knowledgeable than me in many ways, and I always learn a lot about your expressions, ideas, the people you recommend to read, movies to watch, interviews, matters I have never heard off before like eugenicists for instance, which were introduced to me by Gary, etc., it is really very enriching to my person. In the other hand I dislike fights, divisions, because they are totally opposite to what I want.

[hubird]

I have personally explained you that I am not a moderator;

sticky status by you: http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=23977

[dawman]

Another example was how we were suppose to believe Jack Ruby was allowed by the Texas Sheriff to kill Lee Harvey Oswald, and later the evidence prooves they were really all in a band together. Same with the shadows of the pic of the singer on the cover of Life Magazine...

LeeHarveyandtheOswalds.jpg

[Nestor]

I have personally explained you that I am not a moderator;

sticky status by you: http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=23977

And???