SCOPE XITE-1: new DSP hardware from Sonic Core!

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:46 am

I understand as I am a whiner also.

This is a very pic group of folks and a very unique platform.

This should never change.

However I am pointing out that the new developement will probabaly have more pro than consumer customers, and the time for developers to lose their shackels has arrived.

Let My People Go.........Moses, In The Court Of Ramsees II,.....1473 B.C.

BTW, If many of us have our differences,.... let them be set aside now, and celebrate something that all of us here have helped to develope, by our constant constuctive criticism's and whinig.

Everyone Deserves A Fresh Star...........................Bugsy Seagal,...Las Vegas Desert, 1953.

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:01 am

i will never whine on this product ever atleast

its the right price, aiming at the right segment, and as far as i can see its coming at the right time

its exiting times, thats for sure.

FrancisHarmany · Post by **FrancisHarmany** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:04 am

I think we have a record for most post in a signle thread within 24 hours!

or dont we ?

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:06 am

FrancisHarmany wrote:No got the point.... it seems to me you can use a PCI GFX and have enough slots availible ?

that limits the choice of gfx cards even more, especially if you want dual or more dvi out.
but, yes you are right. you can indeed do that.
nevertheless, I'd prefer the host card to be x1.

-greetings, markus-

FrancisHarmany · Post by **FrancisHarmany** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:09 am

Ok I get where you are comming from now.

Well I dont know if we can "do" more if its not x1........

and hopefully PCI-E x1 wont disappear in the comming 5 years

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:29 am

Martin, your statement really is pure nonsense. no offense.
Do you think any plug-in will sound better because it runs on a newer chip? and whats that pro-thing you are talking about. Protools?

and btw all dynatube guitar amps cost 189,-
whats the deal? misinformation?
and what has dynatube to do with XITE hardware?

????

I think you didn't get my point... but it doesn't matter because it IS speculation and in no way ment trolling or anything. I'm in heaven & have NO complaints.

I meant 3000€ is a PRO thing, nothing more or less. No better sound, just another user-group which uses one piece of hardware in that category. This is just meant in contrast to the "normal amateur" scope user who uses luna-pulsar I- Pulsar II ...

and btw all dynatube guitar amps cost 189,-

That's what I said: It's a "gift". That price is just ridiculous for what it does.

what has dynatube to do with XITE hardware?

I hope it will be sold for that hardware. I really hope so.

Martin

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:35 am

even if its only x1 which would be the "worst case" it still doubles the transferbandwidth.

if its a higher x4,x8 or x16 lane card, its more powerful and you'll have to add 100 bucks or so for an sli board additionally. Not a big deal when you already invest into a 3000€ system.

So I don`t see a big problem at all.

And there is still hope that it will have some sort of onboard memory which would rule out the discussion for interface completly.

Lets see what happens, I`m pretty sure in ~ 1 week we know more.

This is really a minor problem:

lets face it up:
- we get vista drivers
- we get mac os support
- an updated scope sfp platform software
- new devices
- and a super powerful new hardware which is expensive but very good price/value ratio

thats almost everything we could have ever dreamed of.

so why get depressed ?

FrancisHarmany · Post by **FrancisHarmany** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:46 am

hifiboom wrote: so why get depressed ?

"its what we do"

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:51 am

I meant 3000€ is a PRO thing, nothing more or less. No better sound, just another user-group which uses one piece of hardware in that category. This is just meant in contrast to the "normal amateur" scope user who uses luna-pulsar I- Pulsar II ...

Forget it. I may be wrong in all points...

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:53 am

Martin, sorry for sounding a bit rude,
it was not meant to be an offense. sorry!

maybe i really misread your statement

but I think that the price is just fair, its expensive but a good value, i think making the price to high, it would hurt SC more than being in its favour.

actual hardware also has much power, native has quad core already and modern va synths come with 64 or even more voices. (f.e a virus can do up to 80 voices, upcoming stromberg up to 100 voices)
And the more people that are able to jump on the train of new scope hardware the more continiously customers sc will have for future plug-in releases.

So what i basically wanted to say: the highest price does not automatically lead to the best benefit for sc. that does also apply to plug-in pricing.

If the plug-in is priced to high, peope will think about getting the original hardware instead of a plug-in.

So regarding the new hardware box, I think 3200 really is the "sweet point". Its much money but it also is much power and good value.

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:07 am

FrancisHarmany wrote:Ok I get where you are comming from now.

Well I dont know if we can "do" more if its not x1........

and hopefully PCI-E x1 wont disappear in the comming 5 years

well, conventional PCI didn't yet, finally. my first board in 1994 was one of the first ever incorporating PCI (the famous Asus PVI/AP4, the little brother of the even more famous SP3G). I didn't switch on that machine for a long time, but I expect it to boot up, still.

if pci-e survives only half that time, the XITE host card technology may have changed, too. and then there is no problem either.

I was just interested if our intel mac fellas will run into problems, but they seem lucky with 4 physical x16 slots (although the slots are limited in the numbers of usable lanes. only one slot has really 16 lanes available).

let's just wait until the final specs are out.

to those who can have a look at Musikmesse: take pictures, as many as possible!

-greetings, markus-

lagoausente · Post by **lagoausente** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:16 am

So regarding the new hardware box, I think 3200 really is the "sweet point". Its much money but it also is much power and good value.

I think that if SC want to attract new users, the price would be a little lower.
I have already read comments in some audio forums, telling that is expensive.
3200 is not on the budget of most Home users, and the point here is that there is much more Home users than PRO ones. So lowering the hardware price would increase the units sold, and even the pay back could be the same, if the platform is used by a mass of people, will have a wider market por plugins, and posible new products.
At that price, even it´s ok in relation price/power, will make the just a limited circle to get there, maybe the users that already are on the platform.

Sounddesigner · Post by **Sounddesigner** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:23 am

I wonder if the price for the new SCOPE XITE is msrp price? if it is then some stores may sell it for a bit less. Either way i agree it is a great value considering once you buy it you won't have to worry about power for a long time.

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:23 am

So regarding the new hardware box, I think 3200 really is the "sweet point". Its much money but it also is much power and good value.

Succeded. I think I will buy it. I can't resist because it's so ultra nice thing having all that scope power in two (laptop) little boxes in your rucksack. We will see what plugins will be included. Maybe it's a real dumping price, maybe it's just well calculated we'll see. In any case scope is worth that money...

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:35 am

IIRC the price for the original scope, when it was released, was also far away from the budget the ambitioned home recorder / musician usually has.
I wonder how many PZ people will belong to the early adopters group. when I jumped on the scope train I was already able to choose my entry level to the platform (luna/p2/pro). I hope there will be some equivalent, soon. I can't imagine that lot of people having 3 large (as jimmy would call it) around in may. but if I'm wrong, it would be great for SC, of course

-greetings, markus-

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:43 am

As it is the biggest box in there product portfolio I would expect that it comes at least with all that a scope professional card comes with (basic stuff + MM and SS) + a bit more.

Fede · Post by **Fede** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:44 am

WOW

W SonicCore!!!!!
Congrats!!!!!!

This is the news I was waiting for... ....also OSX support!! Great!
Maybe they might offer some cross-grade option?

cheers
Fede

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:46 am

I'm sure everyone on audio forums is gonna bitch about the price because most people on those forums (and probably on this forum) are not directly the target audience of this product. With the price and performance it's definitely targeted at a more "pro" segment of the market. Fact is there is nothing out there with this kind of DSP performance for this kind of price.
But most people don't quite need 10x scope pro power so it seems the logical move would be to bring out a variation with maybe 25 % of the power of this beast (which would still be 2 1/2 times more than a Scope pro card!) for maybe 1000-1500 euro's for the home users (like myself

).
I hope they will tell us some more about at the Messe.

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:49 am

what is better than creating a dream many will crave for and boast about (and those with cash to spend will have theirs fulfilled), creating a big discussion in the audio community. logistics cost more or less the same for a product of this range compared to one in the high-end amateur range (say 400-1200 euro) and since SC is a small company they would probably need some higher revenues so they can invest in a better logistics department maybe with more manpower etc. Then thay can be ready to face the higher number of shipment that will arrive when they release their more entry level products.

thats what i hope for anyways

my god i love speculation!

FrancisHarmany · Post by **FrancisHarmany** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:53 am

piddi wrote: my god i love speculation!

Did you buy your Soniccore shares yet ?