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the solution to a mass murderer is obviously mass murder.

This would be like to put out the fire with gasoline

that's a negative contribution: saying that something wouldn't work.
But I appreciate your attempt to discuss.
Now the positive suggestion: what would you do to solve the murdering by Assad?

that's a negarive contribution, always pointing out other's negative contribution.

it's just as important to say what doesn't work as what does.

I think what the brave nations of NATO and the USA did in Libya was great, look at the wonderful results of thousands of Surface To Air shoulder fired missiles we get to chase down now, brilliant.
But the Nobel Peace Prize givers we're right on about Obama, he only kills for Humanitarian reasons, and the collateral damage from Drones levelling houses is of no concern. They shouldn't have allowed those bad guys to stop and get a drink while weapons were held to their heads....

now watch the hate and anger coming up guys...

In the meanwhile the negative parade goes on...

and trying to troll people with a picture of Obama isn't negative?

is that your latest reason to attempt to shut down discussion of things that you don't want people talking about? that it's all "to negative"? not politically "correct" enough? wow! perhaps there's a personal problem involved...

If I would follow the strategy of Nestor (spamming negativity) then you would get kinda this.
(Not that I think the picture is 'negative'. Just to put it this way in the discussion would be a negative imput).

the point of the thread is that Nestor is looking at these problems and is opening them for discussion. it's something to do in one's spare time, unless one doesn't want to converse about it. even if he is "spamming negativity", it's not your job to act as the official political correctness censor. of course, you're welcome to keep doing so, as far as i'm concerned, but i consider that behavior to be spamming negativity since you are focused on the person rather than the actual individual events of concern.

if i go to your house and wait until you come out and then beat the hell out of you everyday, and Nestor says, "Gary is just beating hubird senseless, it's horrible! today he beat his right shin with a bat!" and then another day says "someone stop Gary! he just smashed all of hubird's fingers!", and everyday tried to get someone to listen to him and stop my murderous rampage, he would not be "spamming negativity". he would be a responsible and compassionate human being...

i swear, it's as though he turned down an offer of hot love or stole your girlfriend.

garyb wrote:the point of the thread is that Nestor is looking at these problems and is opening them for discussion.

You don't think the message of Nestor didn't come through yet??
Even Kensuguro thinks Nestor is pushing it much too far...after 50+ pages of doom and spamming with links without any real discussion about content.
He's just stating the end of the world, polluted by conspiracy thoughts he doesn't really understands or can put it 'in place' of the wider political picture.

I saw the videos about the serious questions concerning the 911 riddles.
It was presented and analysed by demolition specialists on serious national tv news shows, as we have an reasonable independent press here.
I know about the secret operations of the CIA in the far and less far past, I studied it already at hi school in history lesson...long time ago.
Don't tell me about the forces behind politics... the military-industrial complex is a term I know for decades.
The famous political print of Dutch cartoonist De Haan, with Hitler holding his arm up behind his shoulder to catch mony from the military capitalists behind him was printed in my history school books...just like that.

Nestor obviously is just parroting the dark side of internet, not open for serious input.
His input knows only one direction, from him to the world, just meant to inplant it in our brains, as if we are stupid.
Who wants to hear for more than 50 pages that he's doomed to die soon?...
He insisted to do this just because his ego was cranced, as a Messiah gets crazy when he feels he's not heard...
It's not about fear, like Jimmy suggested, it's about stubbornness.
He explained that by him self, what do you want more?
He abuses the openness of an internet forum, and you let him abuse you by protecting him.
It's nice of you doing so, but it's improductive.

I don't need the thread to be closed if a normal political discussion would be the stake.
But now that Nestor insists in spamming us with his frustrated world view I will enjoy showing his miserable attitude, as I'm a political animal.
Besides, he promised to stop it, and even ask us to do the same.
Duly noted.

NB. If I was focussed on the person I wouldn't want the thread to be closed.
I would enjoy going on with nailing him down to the end, and believe me, it's not that difficult.
I just do not want to be the object of a idiot, driven by weird obsessions and personal frustrations.
And I'm not alone in this.

'Deep thoughts and real understandings', my ass. If real understandings are involved then Ken's call wouldn't be misunderstood...

hubird wrote:

kensuguro wrote:I'm not sure I get what this thread is about.. I mean, detours and all. Is it just to catalog all manifestations of negativity in the world? (...) just seems rather pointless to dwell on it for such a long time.

PS. and I don't have a girlfriend, or even a bat, I play badminton tho

As the Middle East conflict escalates, strategic groups are spread around the world:

France Declares Its Recognition of New Syria Rebel Group

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/14/world ... .html?_r=1&

The following one is truly interesting and enlightening about the situation of Greece and why they are in the crisis the is pushing them down. Experts have already said that Greece will not be able to pay its debt not even in 100 years... Unfortunately, if America keeps printing money the way they have been doing untill now, the same future will exist also for USA:

http://demonocracy.info/infographics/eu ... greek.html

Congressman: Greece-like ‘day of reckoning’ complete with ‘riots’ to hit America soon if country keeps going down same path:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/11/congr ... same-path/

Curiously, this congresman says almost the same things I have said here in this thread about a year ago: "“not extend yourselves in debt, make sure that you pay off things, don’t get into debt with credit cards, stay as liquid as possible. Don’t take risk, and don’t get into debt".

Unfortunately, Greece is in desperation already, as more austerity mesures are been taken:

Greeks clash with riot police as politicans pass austerity measures
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/fina ... sures.html

you see?...that's his answer to my point.
No political discussion on evolving developments, just stupid isolated news reports without any analysis but with heavy suggestions of a doomed ending.

I just read this:
a pregnant woman run over her husband with a car after a conflict about the re-election of Obama.
Now that's something...
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/2107 ... ama__.html

hubird wrote:PS. and I don't have a girlfriend, or even a bat, I play badminton tho

so he did spurn you in love? even if that's the case, it's no reason to try to make him look bad. this thread doesn't hurt you and you may participate or you can just ignore it.

this thing in Syria looks like a new event. i can understand why it's posted, looking at the title of the thread. it's not spam. it may or may not be important, or what Nestor thinks it means may be called into question, but there's nothing wrong with the post, it makes sense as to the point of the thread, which you could ignore if you don't like.

i can only call the attempt to silence it as vindictive. this thread hurts no one. even if it's only entertainment, it's not immoral.

hubird wrote:a pregnant woman run over her husband with a car after a conflict about the re-election of Obama.
Now that's something...
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/2107 ... ama__.html

wrong thread.

ok then, let's go on...I like it

kensuguro wrote: just seems rather pointless to dwell on it for such a long time.

hubird wrote:now watch the hate and anger coming up guys...
In the meanwhile the negative parade goes on...

I feel sorry for people who read newspaper blogs and Cable News from Super Pac backed, Corporate Ad sponsored "news" outlets.
We love Obama, we are exempted from his peasants Health Care Plan since the AFL-CIO pretty much bought the DNC.
Those clear braces I got my son were 8 grand, and back in 2008 were considered cosmetic under my Union plan but would cover anything over 2500 USD. Now they're free. So of course I like this system, for now at least.
I feel sorry for anyone who isn't working for the Unions, the State or the Federal Government though, as businesses are going to be crushed as Centralized Corporatists love everything BIG.
We had thousands of Banks until we gave them hundreds of Billions of dollars to buy up the smaller, un-bailed banks. So big Unions, Big Goverment, Big Military, Big Banks are just the start. We will see new mergers with even more power.
Right now the Banks are so powerful they can buy any law they want, just to avoid the supposed Dodd/Frank baloney, or the taxing of the wealthy. It isn't going to get more money from the wealthy as they will just buy another politician, that's how it works in the real world. So 250k is now considered being rich...?
The whole time their goal was to tax the middle class via health care and capital gains, gas prices, energy costs, and the upper middle class will either pay serious CPA and attorney fees or just pay the tax. So Robin Hood really means they Robbing, and they came from the Hood...
The Hoods in DC.

For The Land Of The Free..................And The Home Of The Slave......Play Ball.

dawman wrote: We had thousands of Banks until we gave them hundreds of Billions of dollars to buy up the smaller, un-bailed banks. So big Unions, Big Goverment, Big Military, Big Banks are just the start. We will see new mergers with even more power.

Absolutely!

follower.

Well it's true.
For 15 years I could get a payroll loan interest free for 30 days, to cover out of State checks written by some Convention Marketeer, and personal checks from a Large Company send up red flags, especially when Money Orders were agreed to unless the company has a record of 2 yeas or more at the various Convention spots.
Now I cannot even get one unless I put the Deed to my property up and make a loan, where I am penalized for early payments, pay 7% interest on money they got interest free from the Federal Reserve. Big Government is plain unaccountable for anything as it means they are more and more fingers to point the other way.

All I know is we got some freak-show Blue eyed white skinned Cherokee Indian who promises to go after Big Banks, and in all honesty the Dodd/Frank bill and the Feds endless Interest Free loans are basically a crime IMO.
Hell this administration won't even prosecute these criminals so this gal has little chance of winning, but she is so far left, she's perfect to unleash on these rigged financial institutions.
They were able to take campaign promises and pay big fines to keep out of jail, but this broad is on a mission and I hope she breaks these 6 giants into so many pieces they'll never be able to purchase anymore legislation, or screw over the communities they were suppose to provide services to.
I even got paid by a Wells Fargo check recently and took it to a Wells Fargo Bank, they made me come inside , so I parked then waited like some idiot ina line for 15 minutes than some nerdy little prick siad " sir you don;t have an account with us" so I said that's right but the check is from this Bank and this branch, I want my money, and they refused, so I took it to my Credit Union and it tooks 3 days for the money to become available.
So being the fair man I am I vote on issues, not some stupid gang that pretends to represent a certain group of divided Sheep, so there's a Liberal I admire, regardless of the freaks she hangs out with, or the fact she lies about being a Cherokee Indian to get cheaper rates and faster elevation in her endless college studies.
She whooped the Republican who posed for Cosmoplotian and drives a Pick Up Truck. That kind of shows you how screwed up we are over here.

Iran military forces continue to get ready:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/11/14 ... h-missile/

Now Mali has become a second Libya. The destruction of Libya is the template that will be used in Mali and West Africa as a whole:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-20315423

http://libya360.wordpress.com/2012/07/2 ... or-africa/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXmFWTFi ... r_embedded#!

The elites are eager to control the masses, and google is important for them, government surveillance is on the rise:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20319505