God is not great: How religion poisons everthing

[garyb]

first i posted this :

i'm downgrading to a more real

[garyb]

no.
it isn't.

and i came here for an arguement!
noooo! you came here for an arguement!

[braincell]

Somehow I think you do.
Why posting here when you dont care for the response ?

I care about the response regarding the subject not about what you think of me. You have to read more carefully.

[garyb]

no.
it isn't.

and i came here for an arguement!
noooo! you came here for an arguement!

Middle English arguen < Old French arguer < Latin arguere (“‘to declare, show, prove, make clear, reprove, accuse’”), probably connected with Greek άργός (argos), “‘white, bright, etc.’”); see argent, and cf. declare (“‘literally to make clear’”).

Indeed, some things became very clear

this clear.

thanks for the etymology. you know i like that stuff...

[braincell]

Please do not discuss me. I don't think I express myself any more clearly than this. The topic is the insanity of faith in imaginary beings.

[Shroomz~>]

STOP DELETING POSTS...

[Liquid Len]

all beliefs and ideas are NOT of the same value, even if it makes one feel lovey dovey to say so.

a loon is still a loon, and it's diffcult to PROVE who the loon really is.

Now that I agree with.

[Liquid Len]

Please do not discuss me. I don't think I express myself any more clearly than this. The topic is the insanity of faith in imaginary beings.

No, this is getting hit-on-the-head lessons.

Although I do admit, I hear SOME religious people talking, and it is only distinguishable from outright insanity, in context. But I've also heard silly geeks talking about colonizing the universe by building vast underground cities that will generate the algae we need to build ladders to the moon, and after that...

[garyb]

STOP DELETING POSTS...

sorry....
i didn't think he could take it.

[FrancisHarmany]

The topic is the insanity of faith in imaginary beings.

Who decided God is a being ?

Also; why is it insane to form a personal relationship with something you experience in the realms of thoughts & feelings ?

[dawman]

Nothing Francis,
Some people never had the benefit of choices that others had while growing up.
You either learn Faith from role models as a youngster, or learn it on your own.
I was raised that way, but never really believed in anything much.
These days I see it's benefits.
No faith in anything, seems so hopeless.

Why does everything have to be proven or disproven?
I often wondered what I would be like if I never read ancient texts from all religions, etc.
I still don't have a certain one I believe, but I enjoy the beautiful dreams as well as the horrible nightmares that have been written down over the years.

One thing's for sure Santa, ain't around much, but would you really think it's necessary to tell a child that?
Let him hear the fun and nonsensical harmless tales, and even the Tooth Fairy.
This duality IMHO is important as it teaches some fun and games, which eventually an inquisitive child will figure out anyway.

My boy was 1 1/2 years old when he pulled my beard down and said " Daddy ".

Faith goes to the Faithfull, I am not sure where that leaves others, but hopefully they can appreciate their life in other ways.

Before I leave this world, I really would love to hear the truth, if there even is one. But until then I will have an appreciation of my seed.

[wayne]

I'm still pretty much getting by on my faith for music and family and stuff like that...

Oh and respect for the pure religion.

I have faith in beer, too, but not overly much

[ReD_MuZe]

Who decided God is a being ?

a being is something that exists, so i guess anyone who decided he exists, however this is not what you mean is it
but if you check the topic you will realize its specifically talking about the way religion describes god, so that is probably your answer.

No faith in anything, seems so hopeless.

Its only a matter of interpretation , to me it seems its more hopeful. i am free to give my existence its own meaning. I am free from all of the people that try to oppress their own agendas on me, through my nationality and should-be faith.

However faith is mandatory to some extent. even braincell believes there is no god, and until he can prove it its just a belief. somehow we naturally fill gaps of knowledge with faith, and i believe it is some sort of a protection mechanism of the mind. without it we could all easily go insane.

respect for religion? i have none. it has none for me.
respect for people? as with everybody, respect has to be earned and it has nothing to do with religion.

[FrancisHarmany]

Who decided God is a being ?

a being is something that exists, so i guess anyone who decided he exists, however this is not what you mean is it
but if you check the topic you will realize its specifically talking about the way religion describes god, so that is probably your answer.

So either you say a Xite-1 is a being (why not call it an object?) or you say the Xite-1 is an illusion (haha! who knows

Isnt a being is something which shows personality traits ?

[braincell]

I agree with everything you said ReD_MuZe. You are more articulate than I am. Everyone needs some anchor be it religion, music, love, a hobby or sadly even television for some people.

I also have hope in algae based fuels and the elevator to space seems like a cool idea.

[FrancisHarmany]

I agree with everything you said ReD_MuZe. You are more articulate than I am. Everyone needs some anchor be it religion, music, love, a hobby or sadly even television for some people.

I also have hope in algae based fuels and the elevator to space seems like a cool idea.

Algae are great. I them eat almost everyday

I heard that ancient civilisations on earth had a "stairway to heaven"! Supposedly
it led to the space docks

[ReD_MuZe]

one more point on the subject:

more and more people feel manipulated as they grow into a reality of conflict which they have no control or part in. this is something that also (not only) religion is guilty of.

some of the whole agnostic/atheistic phenomena is not about god himself, but an attempt to put some of those conflicts behind us.

[ReD_MuZe]

belief in science?
thats a new one.

[ReD_MuZe]

I'm not sure if this should be considered as belief in science or just pure ignorance.

People want to believe in Almighty powers, for the ignorant perhaps science can seem Almighty, but to the scientist, its very apparent that our scientific tools are just now beginning to form, that science will always have more questions than answers.

lets hypothetically say that one day scientists have found the answer to everything - the unified theory of everything. they find a nice easy formula that every child can understand. what then?

for the ignorant it might seem that from there on humanity would start a new stage and everything will change over night, we will know everything about anything everywhere

but as far as science goes, thats completely untrue. its like electricity. its not like electricity was discovered and a day after that everybody had quantum computers. even almost a century after the quantum mechanics theory, people are struggling to make sense of it all. engineers are hoping to reach home quantum computing in 20 years. some quantum computing is already happening in places around the world btw - and it will be easy to make a cool knob called analog-digital. that would do exactly that! (magic!)

Science , for now, supports time travel, so where is my time machine?

science is not the answer to spirituality, altho it expands ones spirituality a great deal. it is corrosive to religion because it continues to prove that religion underestimates god.

spirituality comes from knowledge imho. science cant replace knowledge, but it can help gain some of it. looking at art - while not scientific, can be very spiritual, and so can taking a journey around the globe. knowledge doesn't have to be scientific.

about science and its misconceptions:
lets take the big bang - i accept it only as a very vague possible theoretical scenario. but for now its the only one thats supported by science, and thats something to respect.
lets take string theory - super vague but beautiful and romantic - should soon gather evidence from cern should be interesting.
lets take darwinism - each year that passes more proof comes to light and its possibility of being true is growing. of-course gene therapy does not support darwinism just because it works, but it wouldn't have been invented without mr darwin. even if his theory only shows a small segment of natural behavior, it should be commended!

Newton wrote a nice formula for gravity, and it worked everybody was sure gravity was linear! machinery came out of it and so on. Newton changed the world. one day came mr Einstein, and told newton - you just got part of the picture, a small segment of the whole function. gravity is really exponential !

the problem maybe is that religion's battle with science makes science look like religion, but science is nothing but evidence for how religion got it wrong, and not about god, but ALOT of other important things. (you can read this sentence in several ways :>)

i think atheists who make it a point to denounce god are missing the issue. i say, if there is a god, he didn't write those awful books, and the attempt of defining god in religion is degrading to something or someone that may have created the universe.

[garyb]

one more point on the subject:

more and more people feel manipulated as they grow into a reality of conflict which they have no control or part in. this is something that also (not only) religion is guilty of.

some of the whole agnostic/atheistic phenomena is not about god himself, but an attempt to put some of those conflicts behind us.

these are not the causes of conflict, they are only symptoms. culture is ALWAYS created from the top down. we are given our reality at birth.

it's funny hearing people go on with their discover magazine veiw of science. my grandfather was a REAL scientist who invented many of the things taken for granted today(like the foam in the cusion you sit on) and his life was nothing like this hollywood romace of science in the 21st century. science is neither noble, nor wondrous(when compared to life and reality itself). it's merely a way of understanding and manipulating what is already there. science is just simple observation which is shared with others when all is said and done.

the rest, the isms, the agnosts and athiests and catholics are just part of "novus ordo seclorum" and "ordo ab chao". the dead go about pretending to be alive and argue about these things of no consequence.

science has certainly been made into a religion, however.