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160 dollars!!!
What did they order, caviar?

but with this experience, I think, you pobably noticed, that it`s better for you to decide thing sof life on your own, don`t ya?

hubird wrote:'Own sovereighnty' is a relative concept.

no it's not. soveriegnty is a state of being that means one is not a servant or slave. it means that one's property is one's own and not subject to any one else's taxation. it means that one controls one's own destiny, that one is a KING even if the kingdom is only the size of one's arm's reach, and that a human is worthy of a king's respect.

none of those other things have anything to do with soveriegnty. certainly the cost of goods does not.

the USA's constitution is the ONLY document that guarantees an individual's soveriegnty as god-given not state-given, and that admit that the state doesn't have any right messin with it. but not many care or understand this any more.....

hubird wrote:'Own sovereighnty' is a relative concept.
Two friends of mine who visited a friend in LA told me about a meal they cooked at home, as they got tired of all the out door eating everybody always does.
Ok, there was salmon, but they payed 160 dollar for just a nice home meal with fresh vegetables.
A head of normal salad was priced 8 dollar, I pay one dollar here at max.
This means that the majority in LA (and eldsewhere?) doesn't have access to essential life sources.
With a maximally reduced constitution, focussing mainly on own sovereighnty, economical processes unaskedly take over the role of socio-political decisions, like 'do we as a country prefer producing food for breeding meat or for our population?'.
There are more things important is what I just wanne say

These prices are all-too-typical in LA where hardly anyone has a garden (or even walks for that matter). I can presume this was organic produce, which is normally escalated in price anyways due to it's supposed shorter shelf-life. The cheaper lettuce can be found at least at 'farmer's markets' - weekend street fairs - otherwise, the cheap stuff is usually very bad quality, or comes from far away.

Nevertheless, it's not directly proportional to personal sovereignty. Economics have become an overlay function not necessarily tied to the idea of sovereignty - i.e. right to outright own, grow, prosper, produce at your own whim - which, unfortunately was a progressive idea in the world up to about 100 years ago when the US was basically bought-up by the precursors of today's elite.

Therefore, the idea of freedom has become guised under overly regulated rights bestowed upon us within particular restrictions and 'governing' protocols that have NOTHING to do with true sovereignty, and do nothing but support some overlord that couldn't scratch his own ass without help.

Personal sovereignty was an idea that COULD have blossomed throughout the rest of the world, including back to Europe, but alas that's a long time gone.

Greg

garyb wrote:

hubird wrote:'Own sovereighnty' is a relative concept.

no it's not. soveriegnty is a state of being that means one is not a servant or slave. it means that one's property is one's own and not subject to any one else's taxation. it means that one controls one's own destiny, that one is a KING even if the kingdom is only the size of one's arm's reach, and that a human is worthy of a king's respect.

none of those other things have anything to do with soveriegnty. certainly the cost of goods does not.

the USA's constitution is the ONLY document that guarantees an individual's soveriegnty as god-given not state-given, and that admit that the state doesn't have any right messin with it. but not many care or understand this any more.....

There you go....

Greg

garyb wrote: no it's not. soveriegnty is a state of being that means one is not a servant or slave. it means that one's property is one's own and not subject to any one else's taxation. it means that one controls one's own destiny, that one is a KING even if the kingdom is only the size of one's arm's reach, and that a human is worthy of a king's respect.

Noun: sovereignty

1. Government free from external control
2. Royal authority; the dominion of a monarch
3. The authority of a state to govern another state

BingoTheClowno wrote:

garyb wrote: no it's not. soveriegnty is a state of being that means one is not a servant or slave. it means that one's property is one's own and not subject to any one else's taxation. it means that one controls one's own destiny, that one is a KING even if the kingdom is only the size of one's arm's reach, and that a human is worthy of a king's respect.

Noun: sovereignty

1. Government free from external control
2. Royal authority; the dominion of a monarch
3. The authority of a state to govern another state

(from Wiki)
Sovereignty is the exclusive right to complete control over an area of governance, people, or oneself. A sovereign is the supreme lawmaking authority, subject to no other. Jean-Jacques Rousseau, in Book III, Chapter III of his 1763 treatise Of the Social Contract, argued that "the growth of the State giving the trustees of public authority more temptations and means to abuse their power, the more the Government has to have force to contain the people, the more force the Sovereign should have in turn in order to contain the Government," with the understanding that the Sovereign is "a collective being" (Book II, Chapter I) resulting from "the general will" of the people, and that "what any man, whoever he may be, orders on his own, is not a law" (Book II, Chapter VI) - and furthermore predicated on the assumption that the people have an unbiased means by which to ascertain the general will. Thus the legal maxim, "there is no law without a sovereign."

somethin to change here too.....

http://www.tvblog.it/post/8137/berlusco ... ullauditel

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/ ... 4620080206

cannonball wrote:somethin to change here too.....

http://www.tvblog.it/post/8137/berlusco ... ullauditel

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/ ... 4620080206

Well, France and Germany have already been taken over by 'neocons', why shouldn't Italy?

Greg

siriusbliss wrote:

BingoTheClowno wrote:

garyb wrote: no it's not. soveriegnty is a state of being that means one is not a servant or slave. it means that one's property is one's own and not subject to any one else's taxation. it means that one controls one's own destiny, that one is a KING even if the kingdom is only the size of one's arm's reach, and that a human is worthy of a king's respect.

Noun: sovereignty

1. Government free from external control
2. Royal authority; the dominion of a monarch
3. The authority of a state to govern another state

(from Wiki)
Sovereignty is the exclusive right to complete control over an area of governance, people, or oneself. A sovereign is the supreme lawmaking authority, subject to no other. Jean-Jacques Rousseau, in Book III, Chapter III of his 1763 treatise Of the Social Contract, argued that "the growth of the State giving the trustees of public authority more temptations and means to abuse their power, the more the Government has to have force to contain the people, the more force the Sovereign should have in turn in order to contain the Government," with the understanding that the Sovereign is "a collective being" (Book II, Chapter I) resulting from "the general will" of the people, and that "what any man, whoever he may be, orders on his own, is not a law" (Book II, Chapter VI) - and furthermore predicated on the assumption that the people have an unbiased means by which to ascertain the general will. Thus the legal maxim, "there is no law without a sovereign."

My appologies!

apologies for what?
It's not your fault
It's a sad, convoluted, complicated mess!

Greg

...and when defining a word's meaning, definitions are WORTHLESS without the etymology.

from old english soverein, from french, from vulgar latin superanus, from latin super. related to super, soubrette, superior, supreme, supernal, superb, summit through the greek root uper(over)[hyper]

What he means by "change" is thats all you will have left of your pay after they are done with it.

Zer wrote:http://youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08

I am mad!

So what?

garyb wrote:...and when defining a word's meaning, definitions are WORTHLESS without the etymology.

from old english soverein, from french, from vulgar latin superanus, from latin super. related to super, soubrette, superior, supreme, supernal, superb, summit through the greek root uper(over)[hyper]

good stuff.

Greg

the difference between knowledge and reason, and repitition and superstition...

believe me, when 60% or more of the population is under the influence of tricknology and tricknocracy as well as demonocracy and confusion/hypnosis, we're doomed. don't worry, when you're chipped and hooked into the matrix, the virtual reality will seem like the greatest life ever lived. no autonomaton will have ever enjoyed his slavery more.