A question about STS

[valis]

Yes, I am suggesting a legacy PCI system for STS samplers.

[Bud Weiser]

... the Xite-1.
I don't know how many dsp's it has actually.

12 333MHz and 6 60MHz SHARC.

But I agree w/ Valis,-

SCOPE 32Bit (4.5 and 5.1 are the by me recommended versions) is best for STS, Vdat and everything Modular and ZARG using samples for their presets or are able to load samples.
Rules also for some time-based FX like tape delay in modular and other stuff using host computer´s RAM.



Bud

[valis]

It may be that (if we are able to help Scope 8 emerge) that the sample OSCs and some other current memory address related device bugs are actually fixed, but it's unclear if STS ever will be as it's not a huge need in the market. Remember that there ARE still actual hardware samplers on the market (MPC's, Elektron, legacy samplers on the secondhand market, etc) so users like drhardlove that want it for niche uses are a niche of a niche within the market. Hard to justify in terms of dev expense unless there's some way to specifically market the result that will achieve a return on investment there. And we can all see what has happened to that end of the market in terms of disappearing to native and 'prosumer' offerings that 'work well enough' to scavenge the higher end--leaving it entirely to musicians who want a hardware only workflow as more due to User Experience / workflow reasons. Ie, people who want to move away from computers and laptops entirely! So it would be hard to sell those users on again using a computer for low latency hardware like experiences, imho.

But, you never know. If there's considerable interest in investing in Scope 8 maybe enough funds would appear to help STS too. That's a reference to something that's not visible to the public yet, so more on that later.

[drhardlove]

... the Xite-1.
I don't know how many dsp's it has actually.

12 333MHz and 6 60MHz SHARC.

But I agree w/ Valis,-

SCOPE 32Bit (4.5 and 5.1 are the by me recommended versions) is best for STS, Vdat and everything Modular and ZARG using samples for their presets or are able to load samples.
Rules also for some time-based FX like tape delay in modular and other stuff using host computer´s RAM.


Bud

Thanks Bud.
So are there challenges using v7 in 32 bit then?
I have bought it, because I thought I had to.
I guess it can still come in handy, on another 64 bit system, since I also like to bring the Xite-1 when travelling with laptop.

I tried to find what ZARG is, but was unsuccessful.
Can you enlighten me further on that?

Regards
Kay

[astroman]

I have an MPC4000 (an Akai Z4 sampler in disguise plus a groove sequencer) and consider it on an equal level of sophistication as Scope.
But I wouldn‘t hesitate 1 minute to replace it by Spectrasonics Stylus, if it was only about the groove.
For any non-perfect finger drummer Stylus does the same job in less than 1/10th of the time.
Imho Stylus is an outstanding product and comes bundled with their full „classic“ Akai groove CD portfolio.

I also second a 32bit system for STS and VDAT ...
myself running Scope7 on Win7/32bit on Asus P4C800, Intel 875 chipset, mobile P4 (with the 1 bent leg mod to reduce Vcore) 2Ghz, 2GB Ram, the most stable Scope system I ever experienced.

Zarg is the company of John Bowen, famous for the Solaris Synth, which started as a Scope device.

[drhardlove]

I have an MPC4000 (an Akai Z4 sampler in disguise plus a groove sequencer) and consider it on an equal level of sophistication as Scope.
But I wouldn‘t hesitate 1 minute to replace it by Spectrasonics Stylus, if it was only about the groove.
For any non-perfect finger drummer Stylus does the same job in less than 1/10th of the time.
Imho Stylus is an outstanding product and comes bundled with their full „classic“ Akai groove CD portfolio.

I also second a 32bit system for STS and VDAT ...
myself running Scope7 on Win7/32bit on Asus P4C800, Intel 875 chipset, mobile P4 (with the 1 bent leg mod to reduce Vcore) 2Ghz, 2GB Ram, the most stable Scope system I ever experienced.

Zarg is the company of John Bowen, famous for the Solaris Synth, which started as a Scope device.

Thx. I have the Stylus RMX, and I don't mind using that, or any drum machine, or sample player, in the Daw domain. But my main focus with the Scope Xite-1, is to achieve latency free control of natural sounding instruments like bass, woodwinds, horns, and anything like that, with my midi guitar.

I also have trillian and other great vst instruments, but the latency annoys me big time. I like to play my ideas trough a real time signal. I guess a hardware sampler or workstation can replace the lack of a sample player in Scope. I suspect the latency via Xite-1 to the sampler will be minimal.

I struggle with very high latency in my motu pro based main system.

Thanks for the clarification on Zarg. I am familiar with the name John Bowen and Solaris.

[Bud Weiser]

So are there challenges using v7 in 32 bit then?
I have bought it, because I thought I had to.
I guess it can still come in handy, on another 64 bit system, since I also like to bring the Xite-1 when travelling with laptop.

Typing from my head,- I don´t remember the details,- but some devices make trouble also in Scope v7 32Bit and they work better in Scope v5.1.

It´s no biggie.
When you got Scope v7,- that´s v5 keys for the devices,- except for the application, which always will need a individual key.
So the question is,- do you have v5.1 and a key ?

I tried to find what ZARG is, but was unsuccessful.
Can you enlighten me further on that?

https://johnbowen.com/new/zarg-music/

Only 4 devices mentioned and all the older ones ignored.
Old website is gone.



Bud

[garyb]

you don't need a v5.1 key with v7 32bit. just the zip with the v5.1 files from support.

[sunmachine]

https://johnbowen.com/new/zarg-music/

Only 4 devices mentioned and all the older ones ignored.
Old website is gone.

All devices are listed in the "Legacy->Products->Product List" menu.

The old web site is archived here: https://web.archive.org/web/20220519060 ... music.net/

[Bud Weiser]

thx, bookmarked !

[drhardlove]

I also second a 32bit system for STS and VDAT ...
myself running Scope7 on Win7/32bit on Asus P4C800, Intel 875 chipset, mobile P4 (with the 1 bent leg mod to reduce Vcore) 2Ghz, 2GB Ram, the most stable Scope system I ever experienced.

Amazing. I tend to take care of old machinery, mainly for emotional reasons, but also due to previous bad backup habits, but seeing that you run a P4 today, has me stand in awe. Although I have a friend doing the same, with a bunch of Creamware cards and Win XP.

I have a lot of machines, and don't need to take as old as IDE based hdd's

My son just gave me the opportunity to take his i5 machine. It is a gaming platform, but has the necessary bells and whistles.

It has been a while, in the meantime I am using Scope V7 on win 7 64bit and all is stable. But I am back on track tryig to set up a system of 32bit v5.1.

However, will I need to go win7? I guess I also can install win10 in 32 bit? I tend to believe that the newer 10, will give me a little less support hassle down the road. Or is win 7 a safer route?

I have both the old V5.1 keyfile, and I guess the new v7 key is here somewhere too.

The software is downloaded somewhere, but it is also acsessible in the software archives at Sonic Core, isn't it?

Are there culprits in using a newer machine with more features, ram and cpu?

Since I plan on building a 32 bit sample library, utilizing the Scope samplers, I guess the extra ram and speed can be handy?

Thanks
Kay

[drhardlove]

you don't need a v5.1 key with v7 32bit. just the zip with the v5.1 files from support.

Thanks.

[drhardlove]

Typing from my head,- I don´t remember the details,- but some devices make trouble also in Scope v7 32Bit and they work better in Scope v5.1.

It´s no biggie.
When you got Scope v7,- that´s v5 keys for the devices,- except for the application, which always will need a individual key.
So the question is,- do you have v5.1 and a key ?



Bud

I have a 5.0 keyfile here, and Holger added a 5.1 to that. I also have a keyfile in my V7 installation, where there is only one license, which I guess is the V7 license. I also have an old Keyfile for the 5.0 version and there are a few plugs that is not transferred to my new Keyfiles.
It's all a little confusing, since they all are named Keyfile and the file is .v5 no matter what version it actually contents.
It is a little miracle that I didn't already overwrite one of them with another

[garyb]

your v5 keyfile will still work for optional plugins.

[drhardlove]

your v5 keyfile will still work for optional plugins.

Thanks GaryB
So I can use multiple keyfiles, as long as they are registered to the same unit I guess?
But can I rename them as long as I don't change the file type (.v5 file)?
It might be a bit easier to keep order in them that way.
Kay

[valis]

I named them differently in my archive, not in my scope installations.

[drhardlove]

I named them differently in my archive, not in my scope installations.

Thanks Valis

[garyb]

when you import keys from a v5 keyfile, it writes the keys into the keyfile.v5 file in Scope/app/bin.
once all keys are imported and working, make a copy of the keyfile.v5 in Scope/app/bin to have a complete keyfile back-up. you can name the back-up whatever you want, it will import as long as it keeps the .v5 extension.

[drhardlove]

when you import keys from a v5 keyfile, it writes the keys into the keyfile.v5 file in Scope/app/bin.
once all keys are imported and working, make a copy of the keyfile.v5 in Scope/app/bin to have a complete keyfile back-up. you can name the back-up whatever you want, it will import as long as it keeps the .v5 extension.

Yup. I was starting to see the outline of something like this. Thanks for confirming so thoroghly GaryB.