Del-Ray 3

[spacef]

Del Ray v3 adds the following:

Out-Back Filter Modulation: makes it easier to test various filters, and effects. 
Inner gain booster : a classic SpaceF gain booster, up to +12dB, by increments of 3dB. 

The Inner Gain Booster is placed at the output of the "Tri-Delay" section, just before the compressor.  You can boost and/or saturate the sound more easily, giving to the sound a more authentic sound, in particular when bass-medium are desired.

No Presets ? Please import your Del-Ray 2 preset list and resave it as a new "Del-Ray 3" preset list.

Older presets, which do not have the inner gain or new modulation parameters, will see these parameters set to default automatically (gain resets at +0dB, as well as the out-back F modulation amount).

https://spacef-devices.com/news/del-ray-3/

Download from the "Dubby / Del-Ray" download page.

[spacef]

uploaded a new version which corrects the out-back modulation selector which was missing one modulator :-/ sorry about that, i made this one long ago and forgot there was this little thing to finish...

As usual, you may need to actually replace the device in your project for all changes to take fully effect. Try first by simply overwriting the device .dev file on your disk, then load Scope/project and check if the outback filter modulation selector contains the "Env.F" that was missing... if not, please replace the device.

[spacef]

A full repack with corrections is available in your order download page, as well as in the dubby/Del Ray download page (https://spacef-devices.com/dubby-del-ray-downloads/ in the folder "REPACK 26 NOV 2024". )


READ ME :

DUBBY / DEL-RAY
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Repack 26 Nov. 2024


DUBBY 3 / 4 Corrections
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A window pop-up for an un-found insert fx opened on device load.
This was an old module for Blackbox II that made it through.
So if you had BlackBox II, it would not appear.

However, this module is not necessary at all and consumes unecessary resources, so it has been removed.


DEL-RAY
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Del-Ray 1, 2, 3 are version with more or less functions. So Del-Ray 3 takes more DSP than Del-Ray 1.
In general, user will use the latest version, but in case of issues due to DSP usage, the previous ones are available.


UPDATE INSTALL
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Be careful not to delete your existing presets.
Copy/Paste just the devices you need into your scope directory.


NEW INSTALLATION
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- Copy the App, Devices, Manual and Presets folders in your scope directory.
- Restart Scope.
- Load a device and enter the activation key.

To request an activation key:
https://spacef-devices.com/activation-keys/

(you must be logged in and be a customer to access this page).





Enjoy !

[spacef]

I've been demoing UAD's Galaxy Tape Echo, and frankly, I prefer mine eventhough it does not have pitch flutter

Anyway, I've been searching the net for the delay times of a space Echo and never found anything relevant. So I rely of emulations. There was a Nexus pedal delay times that I gave a while ago, and below, the UAD Galaxy.

In Galaxy, the delays of the heads are as follow in non sync mode
1 / 177 ms
2 / 336 ms
3/ 487 ms

Each head are also controlled by the "Echo Rate" which allows to reduce each delay up to respectively 69 / 131 / 189 (with all MS values in between), whih is a max ratio of 2.56 / 2.57 (ie 177/2.56=69). This is applied to all heads at once, you can't set a specific delay for each head.

In Dubby/Del-Ray, you can't use delay time to pitch the signal, but we can set each head to a specific delay time, and multiply/divide by 2 using the "D1-Time-D2" faders (above the duckers). Then, you could apply a feedback of 0 to the 3 delay heads so they repeat only once, and then repeat them using the second delay line.

I am doing an Scope Equalizer right now, but thinking of experimenting with pitch modulations, like I did in the older SpaceF Echo 1 / 2 / 3 (which I could re-release but it lacks user-friendliness - so I want to redo that itch modulator)... it can be nice to add some flutter to the wet signal (So far I've been using VST tape plugins to do this on the recorded delays)

May it help someone

Happy new year

Mehdi

[astroman]

hi Mehdi,

you possibly might get the SpaceEcho timing from GSI (reading out the GS201 reaction)
https://www.genuinesoundware.com/?a=showproduct&b=45

To me it seemed very realistic and the dude is all about precise emulation of the gear he „virtualizes“.
(he got quite upset when I commented something which came over as critic to him, ages ago...)

[spacef]

Thanks Astroman, I did not know this one.

[Bud Weiser]

In Galaxy, the delays of the heads are as follow in non sync mode
1 / 177 ms
2 / 336 ms
3/ 487 ms

Each head are also controlled by the "Echo Rate" which allows to reduce each delay up to respectively 69 / 131 / 189 (with all MS values in between), whih is a max ratio of 2.56 / 2.57 (ie 177/2.56=69). This is applied to all heads at once, you can't set a specific delay for each head.

Cherry Audio has a good emulation too and they use the values below.

See head #1 as the base time,- heard #2 = base time x1.94 and head #3 base time x2.85.

That´s all.

The base time of the original hardware depends on motor speed (and tape length),- lower setting = longer delay.
In fact, every single Roland Space Echo RE 201 is slightly different already when new and this also rules for the RE 301, 501 and 555 units.

On a vintage unit,- the max delay on head #3 is (about) 500ms,- which is corresponding to the slowest "motor speed" setting (repeat rate on RE-201).
Have in mind the 500ms are the ideal value which slightly varies depending on the unit´s condition, age and whatelse.
I´m pretty sure the motor itself came w/ (hopefully close) tolerances in regards of speed,- so you won´t find out exact delay times for specific heads as also not "THE" motor speed anyway.

I owned several mechanical delay units in the past,- Binson Echorec P.E.603-T, Korg Stage Echo SE-300 or 500 (can´t remember) and Roland 301 and rackmount 555,- before I used 2 Roland SDE-2000 and a Yamaha D-1500 digital modulation delays.
Today and for FX, the emulations are very welcome.



Bud

[astroman]

Imho it‘s not that much about absolute speed of the Space Echo, but about it’s well chosen interval settings on the dial.

[Bud Weiser]

Imho it‘s not that much about absolute speed of the Space Echo, but about it’s well chosen interval settings on the dial.

Which interval settings on which dial ?

The Mode Selector dial just only combines echo playback heads and/or reverb/echo combinations.
All depends on the other three echo settings related pots working infinitely variable.

So, once there´s a given motor speed as the base time for head #1 and the multipliers for head #2 and #3 match more or less what the vintage unit does at an average, the Mode Selector should work correctly too.

Anyway,- in my previous post I forgot to mention the "wide" delay time switch of the Cherry Audio emulation, which is 4x the max (4x500=2000ms).
Not related to the original at all, but Ithink long delay times are welcome.



Bud

[spacef]

I think what makes those hardware different is also the frequencies which are boosted or not by the echo engine. I've read somewhere that the Roland Space Echo has a strong 80 Hz boost, and high frequencies damping, which makes the basic sound of it.

Also important, the frequencies that appear on long/infinite feedback. I like what I hear on the link given by Astroman, it sounds very vintage to me. I also like the Echoplex very much (heard only the UAD audio demo, as this plugin is not available as a VST).

I am working on tuned frequencies right now (frequencies that corespond to notes, eg 41.20 for E1 (lower electric bass note), 82.41 Hz for E 2 (lower guitar frequency) etc. I think it makes it much easier to find the right tones in an equalizer or else... it could end up in delay units).

So many things to explore... so little time

[Bud Weiser]

I also like the Echoplex very much (heard only the UAD audio demo, as this plugin is not available as a VST).

It is ...
https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/trtapeecho/

I had the occasion to buy the real deal for peanuts (EUR 100,-) over a decade ago,- and didn´t buy because it was the transitor- and not the tube- model.

And yes,- the GSi spaceecho emulation is good too !

IMO, the KORG Stage Echo SE- 300 and 500 are the most advanced and best sounding vintage tape delays.
The SE-500´s 5 heads and "sound on sound" option make it the better choice over any Roland RE-XXX Space Echo,- except RE-501/ 555.
The build quality was good too.

Here´s a good read ...
https://soundgas.com/blogs/resources/ko ... pace-echo/

and schematics ...
https://soundgas.com/blogs/resources/ko ... -schematic
Click on the pics for download.



Bud

[astroman]

Imho it‘s not that much about absolute speed of the Space Echo, but about it’s well chosen interval settings on the dial.

Which interval settings on which dial ?

For sure not my most brilliant attempt on literature

But as you say...

The Mode Selector dial just only combines echo playback heads and/or reverb/echo combinations.
All depends on the other three echo settings related pots working infinitely variable.

in it’s simplicity just hits the nail on the head.
I‘ve also experienced it in various implementations of Roland itself... a guitar pedal and fx boards for their multitrackers and groove samplers.

[astroman]

I also remember those offers when vintage audio gear was still affordable... passing a lot of devices that now sell for a small fortune...

But I found a great solution recently: the Spin Audio FV-1 (though it may be considered almost vintage itself now)
Not really appropriate here in this context, but imho it‘s so brilliant that it deserves mentioning.
Because it‘s focussed on delay/reverb and it got something Scope is missing: variable clock.
I guess you may know it, Mehdi, as you‘re also into Eurorack.

My favorite is the TipTop Audio Z-DSP, 2 in/out (full stereo path), feedback, 3 parameters, 32khz sample clock, all CV controllable.
They sell preprogrammed cards (you may roll your own), which are excellent quality, quite expensive but worth each €.
(I started with a modded kind of DIY board to try it out, but quickly grabbed a Z-DSP with 5 cards. Heaven)

https://tiptopaudio.com/zdsp-ns/
in the bottom part there are example, check out the tape echo and Spirals, which is a pitched multitap delay