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feg wrote:How climate change 'protesters' are dealt with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT6U0QDMpdo

isn't it fun to throw explosives at people that you disagree with? obviously the storm trooper is on the side of righteousness.... :roll:
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garyb wrote:isn't it fun to throw explosives at people that you disagree with?
No, it's highly irresponsible, unless of course, it's your job. There's nothing like pleasure at work.
garyb wrote:obviously the storm trooper is on the side of righteousness....
An interesting observation. If there are two sides to the 'force' in Star Wars, why didn't Darth Vader come over to the Light Side?
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:lol:
he did in the end when he saved his son, it's not the usual occurance in the real world...


i guess maybe now that the coffin is nailed, the zombies and vampires inside will stop struggling...
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I hope, this time, in Paris, something substantial will happen.
Two degrees is already too much, one degree would be more realistic, in order to keep the status quo somehow :)
50.000.000 climate refugees coming to Europe would be too much...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk11DVaAjEA
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nonsense.
climate change will happen with or without legislation. it always has.
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Who would ever deny that :roll:

Well, graphics...you can manipulate any picture a bit by changing the spread factor on the axes, but you can't change the tendency 8)

About the relationship between the industrial revolution from about 1850 en CO2 emission:
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sorry, that was the end of the "little ice age". look it up.

human "greenhouse gases" account for 0.28% of total greenhouse gases when water vapor is included. water vapor is 95% of all greenhouse gases. without water vapor, it's 5.53%. look it up.

it doesn't matter what the world "leaders" do to limit you and me, as far as "global warming" or "climate change" goes. it will happen just the same. there has never been "stable climate".

what would be more effective in protecting life and liberty for human beings would be to outlaw all forms of "weather modification". these technologies are much more dangerous that the life-giving substance known as CO2.
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:lol:
no, but....
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Hubird you're better off going to a forum of Virtual Composers who use virtual instruments trying to convince virtual Movie Producers their product is viable.
They would welcome this subject.
Fascinating place too, you can sell used 1s and 0s there too and people still believe they're buying a hardware equivalent.
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Ha ha.

Times have changed boys, you're getting alone :D

San Bernandino County, California:
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that's a really stupid type of solar install. more sensible would be to decentralize the network, by putting the panels on every building.
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That would be safer indeed.
In my country the are making plans for that now, after all.
We don't have deserts :lol:
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of course, making the panels isn't exactly "green" either....
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The very same contractor putting those all over Nevada made the panels in our bacpacks and trailer hitch we pull for camping.
When we lose power I can connect everything we need and it lasts for 22 hours max.
Camping its perfect.
The backpacks can power cooking untensils and portable laptops and phones.

But these massive arrays are for emergency power for Edwards and Nellis Air Base.
The liitle people are on thier own.
Even though the Sheep think thier tax dollars are spent to bring them comfort during a crisis.
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dawman wrote: Even though the Sheep think thier tax dollars are spent to bring them comfort during a crisis.
ah, the Sheep, there they are.
Conspiracy and anti sustainability...those are a marriage :D

Solar energy isn't for crises but for everyday life in future :)

You'll get used to it :)
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no, THOSE solar panels are for the military.

the panels on my house are for me.

making panels pollutes a LOT of water and is not a "clean" process. it's not any cleaner than using oil. there are metals, rare elements and gases that are quite poisonous involved in manufacture. it's a good thing of course, to decentralize power and in the long term, panels are less expensive than oil, gas, and coal(not in the short term), that's why i purchased panels. to think that they will create a clean world is crazy talk. it takes people to make a clean world, not technology.

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/ ... rty-secret
http://spectrum.ieee.org/green-tech/sol ... -you-think

since ALL man-made greenhouse gases including, but not limited to CO2, is only some 0.3% of all greehouse gases in the earth's atmosphere(water vapor being 95% of the entire total), burning the oil or using the panels won't affect climate change in any way. there is just basic math involved here. we won't even consider the blast furnaces needed to turn sand into pure silica and the CO2 emissions from that.

again, i LIKE solar panels. i generate my own electricity using them. i only pay to run the air conditioner in the summer, and occasional electric heat in the coldest few weeks in the winter.
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garyb wrote:no, THOSE solar panels are for the military.

the panels on my house are for me.

making panels pollutes a LOT of water and is not a "clean" process. it's not any cleaner than using oil. there are metals, rare elements and gases that are quite poisonous involved in manufacture. it's a good thing of course, to decentralize power and in the long term, panels are less expensive than oil, gas, and coal(not in the short term), that's why i purchased panels. to think that they will create a clean world is crazy talk. it takes people to make a clean world, not technology.

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/ ... rty-secret
http://spectrum.ieee.org/green-tech/sol ... -you-think

since ALL man-made greenhouse gases including, but not limited to CO2, is only some 0.3% of all greehouse gases in the earth's atmosphere(water vapor being 95% of the entire total), burning the oil or using the panels won't affect climate change in any way. there is just basic math involved here. we won't even consider the blast furnaces needed to turn sand into pure silica and the CO2 emissions from that.

again, i LIKE solar panels. i generate my own electricity using them. i only pay to run the air conditioner in the summer, and occasional electric heat in the coldest few weeks in the winter.
I'm with you, and I think that there is an overall gain to using things like solar, wind and geothermal that will come from decentralized power. I just heard something about a promising new technology that uses graphene cables to transfer heat from miles into the crust. It's basically geothermal but a lot easier to implement and can happen nearly anywhere. I also think that new better nuclear reactors could be part of the answer, but there's too much emotional baggage to implement that. Another technology, that's cheap and easy to implement that would help the environment out a lot is the latex condom. There are plain and simply too many humans but no democratically elected official will admit to this. Also, I bet I save a lot of kilowatts using an XITE-1 instead of giant racks of synth gear and modular stuff. 8)

But, whenever I come across an argument about "climate change" it strikes me as a smoke screen. It then becomes about whether or not humans created it and that becomes a quagmire. Who cares who made it? Who cares if we can stop it or not? Does anyone really think that trying to put limits on pollution is bad?
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Limits on US as consumers is bad.
Putting limits on AL Gore flying solo in a Lear Jet polluting the air 1000 times worse than I do, to get to his 10 million dollar house on the beach in Malibu (that was underwater in his global warming movie) is what we're really talking about.
The important protectors of the little people will decide what we can and cannot do, and by force of economics if necessary.

When you have to try and create a fake stock to sell your carbon credits, then find IPCC emails to be riddled with falsehoods, then sell a cable company worth less than 50 million for 500 million to rich Oil producers in the Persian Gulf, who pay Hollywood to do anti fracking movies, etc.etc....

You catching my drift on this...?

This is something I already practice in life, conservation of resources.
This is something they cannot and will not do since they want control over the resources.

This is how Kings and Queens operate.
Do as I say, not as I do.
Europe is going to explode from too many peasants, send them to the USA....

Their shit don't sell anymore, but they keep trying.
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Oh btw start at the beginning of this thread.
It's a great lesson on how the Sheep have been indoctrinated and then in the later pages see how they react when the IPCC was busted.
Lots of cool history here, and telling someone they've been suckered by wealthy white Liberals gets them really mad, so they then get angry for being foolish and have a melt down.
Poor emotional creatures.
Don't feel bad, I was also fooled but found some red white and blue Sheers for my wool.
They come in various colors depending on which nation you were indoctrinated in.

Ankyu........... :wink:
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