Reanimate Scope DAW

[jksuperstar]

Your Nvidia Quadro is on the same IRQ as one of the SCOPE cards (IRQ 16)...if it is possible, this should be avoided. To avoid it, try moving the scope card to another PCI slot if one is available.

If it can't be avoided, you might need a higher ULLI latency while clicking/moving windows. When you are not doing much graphics, then you might be able to drop the ULLI again (for live work, for example). If you are only in a studio, a latency higher than 3ms might be just fine, and even not noticeable.

[garyb]

well, yes.
the Graphics card is on the same irq as one of your Scope cards.

you can try to turn off the fancy graphics fx for the windows by right clicking on my computer, choosing properties\advanced\perfornance settings\adjust for best performance.

[dest4b]

the Fancy GFX is disabled.. since installation ..
i must say i have tired with fancy gfx and without. same results.
btw is the aero not better because the GFX card does the rendering of windows ?

This is the Mainboard .. as there are only three PCI slots i can not change the position
of the three PulsarIIs .. but .. what i could do .. is something like this:

http://www.alternate.de/html/product/Po ... 50/958264/?

do you think i could help .. ? In the moment i have a normal PCI-e Quadro NVS 295 card in
the second slot from bottom.

[garyb]

no, Aero is a pig. it eats resources like a true glutton. the cpu is still involved, even though the Graphic card does much of the work. no, a different card won't help unless the old one is bad.

what power supply are you using?

[dest4b]

Hi

yes fancy is off. i tested with the masterverb i got same results and the system seems not to be more laggy with aero on.
however with ableton in fullscreen and on the other monitor with SFP in fullscreen i wont miss the fancy mode

no i dont think about an "better" GFX card.. i think by exchanging the slot. because the Nvidia 295 is PCIex16 and this one i posted is PCIex1
so i can use a different slot .. maybe a different IRQ. If im right with the PCIe x1 card i can test it in all PCIe slots of the board.
Also those PCIe x1 cards are low power GFX cards. with maximum 20-25 Watts. And a lame 3d performance

375W standard dell Powersupply.

[garyb]

the x1 card might be worth a try.

i'd say that the power supply is suspect. it's on the small side already, but stock power supplies from a company like Dell are usually good quality, so a smaller supply is often ok. you supply may not have the headroom it once had, and it may be the problem. if you can swap out a beefy one for testing, that'd be a good idea. if not, there is free software that can monitor the supply and give you an idea about what it is doing.

[dest4b]

ok i will check the VOltages .. for example with sisoft sandra.

but i found something .. eeerm . . hard ? hrrh .. mybe i should try this first.
What i found PCIe x16 is also PCIe x1 compatible..
not all GFX cards works in this way but many...
So... I'm thinking about using my Proxon this evening and removing a bit of Plastic
in my x1 socket.

[dest4b]

So .. i was @ home in lunchtime.. and i could not resist to use the Proxon
now my PCIe x16 gfx card is hosted by an PCIe x1 slot. and what shoud I say ?


IT WORkS hrhrh. It runs now on IRQ -2

Systeminformationsbericht erstellt am: 06/20/12 12:34:55
Systemname: SCOPE-PC
[Konflikte/Gemeinsame Nutzung]

Ressource Gerät
E/A-Port 0x00000000-0x00000CF7 PCI-Bus
E/A-Port 0x00000000-0x00000CF7 DMA-Controller

E/A-Port 0x000003C0-0x000003DF NVIDIA Quadro NVS 295
E/A-Port 0x000003C0-0x000003DF Intel(R) ICH7 Family PCI Express Root Port - 27E0

Speicheradresse 0xF9000000-0xF93FFFFF Sonic Core Pulsar2
Speicheradresse 0xF9000000-0xF93FFFFF Intel(R) 82801 PCI-Brücke - 244E

IRQ 21 Intel(R) 82801G (ICH7-Familie) USB universeller Hostcontroller - 27C8
IRQ 21 Intel(R) 82801G (ICH7-Familie) USB2 erweiterter Hostcontroller - 27CC

Speicheradresse 0xC0000-0xEFFFF PCI-Bus
Speicheradresse 0xC0000-0xEFFFF Systemplatine

IRQ 16 Intel(R) N10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Root Port - 27D0
IRQ 16 Intel(R) ICH7 Family PCI Express Root Port - 27E0
IRQ 16 Sonic Core Pulsar2

Speicheradresse 0xE0000000-0xEFFFFFFF NVIDIA Quadro NVS 295
Speicheradresse 0xE0000000-0xEFFFFFFF Intel(R) ICH7 Family PCI Express Root Port - 27E0

IRQ 17 Sonic Core Pulsar2
IRQ 17 Intel(R) ICH7 Family PCI Express Root Port - 27E2

Speicheradresse 0xF0000-0xFFFFF PCI-Bus
Speicheradresse 0xF0000-0xFFFFF Systemplatine

Speicheradresse 0xA0000-0xBFFFF PCI-Bus
Speicheradresse 0xA0000-0xBFFFF NVIDIA Quadro NVS 295
Speicheradresse 0xA0000-0xBFFFF Intel(R) ICH7 Family PCI Express Root Port - 27E0

E/A-Port 0x000003B0-0x000003BB NVIDIA Quadro NVS 295
E/A-Port 0x000003B0-0x000003BB Intel(R) ICH7 Family PCI Express Root Port - 27E0

Speicheradresse 0xFA000000-0xFBFFFFFF NVIDIA Quadro NVS 295
Speicheradresse 0xFA000000-0xFBFFFFFF Intel(R) ICH7 Family PCI Express Root Port - 27E0

Speicheradresse 0xFF980800-0xFF980BFF PCI-Bus
Speicheradresse 0xFF980800-0xFF980BFF Intel(R) 82801G (ICH7-Familie) USB2 erweiterter Hostcontroller - 27CC

[garyb]

that looks pretty good.

[dest4b]

the Modded PCIe x1 slot ( i was a bit rattled about that .. hehe ) or the conflict list

But i still have the crackeling in high loaded projects if i click around in ableton with ASIO
connection to SFP.. also with the next higher ULLI settings.
i think i will test setting ableton in the task manager to "higher as normal" or "realtime"
also i will try to play around with the settings for Baground Services.. i remember those settings
from XP and logic audio. maybe it helps also with ableton.

what is courious .. for testing i have installed XP on my second harddrive. In XP i have
a lot of IRQ sharings. What i read about WIN7 virtual irqs is maybe the explanation of the
sharing in XP.. al irqs above 16 are virtual and are hardwired to IRQ9. Also the virtual IRQ -2
for example.

But .. i think i schould use WIN7 .. right ?

[garyb]

maybe, but that's not the problem. xp should work fine. win7 requires the same care with irqs.

there are several things that might make your machine do what you describe. the power supply is always suspect. do you have full video accelleration turned on?

[dest4b]

Windows7 has a lot of more IRQs then XP .. Virtual IRQs..

and under XP all three Scope cards share their IRQ with GFX USB and sometimes up to five
devices on one IRQ.

should i disable the HW acceleration or enable it ?
And where i find this in Windows 7 ?

And why could the power suply produce crackle sounds if i control ableton with the mouse ?
i dont talk from electrical noise like you hear your harddisk in the speakers.. it sounds lilke
drop outs. and only if i interact with ableton. if i do nothing there is no clicks and pops.
it sounds a bit like vinyl.

[garyb]

yes, i'm aware of what you are complaining about. a Scope card is a realtime device. the computer is not. if the timings get messed up because the computer doesn't provide needed info in time, there will be a drop out. a power supply that has sagging voltage will cause all kinds of strange things to happen. if the system isn't grounded proerply, there can be issues(although i haven't seen a mouse problem related to grounding for quite some time).

hardware accelleration should be fully enabled otherwise the cpu is busy doing graphics work. it's in the display proeprties, i believe.

irqs shared with graphics is bad, but will work sometimes(maybe not with ableton). an irq shared with usb will not work. the sub controller in question needs to be disabled in the device manager. other systems devices sharing irqs with Scope are usually ok. it was early win2000 and windows me, that had issues with irq9 and virtual irqs. win7 definitely does not. in fact, with the later versions of xp and win7 coupled with a newer motherboard, it's preferable to have the os manage irqs. i wouldn't worry about virtual irqs.

are you using an unusual mouse, with a heavy backround application?

[dest4b]

Hi

Mouse and KEyboard are PS2. should i try to use USB ?
but i dont think it is a Mouse problem. If i set ableton to "above Normal"
the crackels are very rare.

I have tested the Voltages and like i had expected all Voltages ar ok

3.3 V i had 3.39V
5V i had 5.07V
12V i got 12.09V

I tested with a Digital Multimeter directly on the ATX connector with CPU at 100%
and Fully loaded Scope and a GFX stress test.
The voltages are equal in full load and idle.


But .. i played again with MODIII this weekend.. i have missed it
btw. would it be woth the mony to update to 5.1 with MOD4 and all
other icluded Plugins ?

[garyb]

ps2 should be great.
yes, it's worth it, if you like that kinda thing. how are you testing with win7 otherwise?(aero?) if xp is not on the c drive, that might explain the less that stellar performance.

above normal is fine, but realtime is a setting you should not use.

[dest4b]

Ableton could not be set to realtime
i will play around in next time with Reaper. it seems to be sexy

Aero is off.. but i dont find a setting in Win7 with "hardware acceleration" i always thought
that aero is only available if the GFX kard is accelerated.


btw... since my old P4 i did not have a stable system like this with my pulsars
NO bluescreen until now.. For testing i loaded a bigger project and played that in
a loop for over a Day.. as i was back in the studio it was still running

cool .

[garyb]

it's possible that the system is just overtaxed, since you only have a p4.

[dest4b]

no my last proper working Pulsar system was a P4 .. 5 Years ago.
Now it is a "old" DELL Precision 390 with DUalcore 2.4Ghz.

[garyb]

yes, but you weren't running win7 or a newer copy of ableton Live then. it's not Scope that would be maxing out resources. you aren't just running Scope right? are you using vsts as well?

[dest4b]

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Update:

- Core2Quad Q6600 50€
- SSD 120Gb 99€

Fresh installation of XP

in the moment without special DAW tweaking
16 Masterverb classics
Number 17 causes PCI limit