Reason - I just love the workflow in that program!

[braincell]

Reason uses something easier than ASIO when used with Cubase. It is Rewire. There is no ASIO to connect or MIDI, furthermore connections are made automatically. Instead of MIDI you use the name of the device which in Reason might be something like Redrum 1, Redrum 2, or you can alter the name to be anything you want it to be. When using Reason in a standalone mode, the ASIO is asigned in the audio preferences. I use the same ASIO as I do for Cubase which is ASIO 64 I think.

[Nestor]

When I installed it and tryed it, the ASIO 32fl didn't work, then I inserted the ASIO32 and had sound. I understand that the way to go is Rewire, of course.

Thanks for your explanations Brain, much appreciated :8

[Nestor]

Ok, I've tryed it more in depth, and used most of all the samplers, but the sound is not the same... Perhaps with Pulsar I'm going to use more DSP and RAM, but the sound is quite different. Reason gives a sand kind of sound in samples...

[pseudojazzer]

Nestor, you'll be interested by using the hardware interface in reason, first try to run a few things and sub mix them in reason - then send them to asio channel 1 (L+R) in scope - then gradually take the connections out separately to individual channels in scope (i.e connect them to different hardware interface channels) - listen to the difference - its amazing - scope just cleans it all up!

[Nestor]

Ok, I'll try it and will be back with my impression here, thank you

[dante]

What if Propellerheads and Creamware merged. That would be sweet!

Hey Brain, what about Reason 5 ? The new Neptune, Dr Octo Rex, Live Sampling looks pretty damn good. Also, what do you think of the SSL mixer in Record compared to say STM4896 ?

[braincell]

I've just recently looked back at my startingpoint Reaso. Well, actually it was ReBirth, but Reason really turned me on! And I have to admit, that I really like the workflow in Reason. If only I could get my CW synths and Effects in there I'd be in heaven.

So how do you like that idea: Reason-shell + CW-engine?

I made a post, almost exactly the same when Reason came out. It didn't meet with approval in this forum. The Reason GUI is brilliant. The SFP GUI sucks. The SFP was not designed for ease of use at all because it is based on the way hardware works but it is not hardware which makes it very tedious. This interrupts the work-flow and hurts creativity. The SFP sounds better so a marriage of the two would be ideal. It seems like the focus is on the hardware with SC though. I don't see them making any giant changes.

The best way for SC to sell more hardware is to make their software open source.

One complaint I have with Reason is that because it is made to look like hardware, this takes up more screen space than needed and limits data on the screen. That is stupid. Personally I don't give a damn what it looks like. All I care about is the sound quality and ease of use.

Reason is best used with Rewire in a good sequencer such as Cubase, Logic, or Sonar. Rewire is great!! Why does the SFP not have Rewire??? It seems like this platform has always been in the hands of engineers who don't play well with others.

[Mr Arkadin]

The Reason GUI is brilliant. The SFP GUI sucks. The SFP was not designed for ease of use at all because it is based on the way hardware works but it is not hardware which makes it very tedious. This interrupts the work-flow and hurts creativity.

I find both hardware and Scope easy to use and not tedious at all. My creativity is uninterrupted.

[dawman]

ReWired Bidule using 8 Scope effects in a Matrix Switching scenario.
Haven't tried the synths much yet, but I was tired of using Kontakt via Reaper and then adding 6msec of latency just to get Plate-X on drums instead of the lame, pathetic Kontakt sewer-verb. Works great no need to jump in and out of Scope.
Transports and all MIDI CC's controlled remotely vis the KS88.

ReWire VSTi.JPG

[garyb]

the Scope GUI is the easiest GUI in the business. people who find it cumbersome, don't understand how gear works or have a problem connecting the abstract gear with the real world in their minds, but that's just my opinion.

[siriusbliss]

I love the Scope GUI. I can see everything, and don't need to fiddle around.

Most hosts have Rewire capability, so if you prefer the extra latency and fiddling around, then that's your option.
Sound quality is also an issue after the fact.
To me Rewire was initally designed as a workaround anyways - especially with the tools we have these days.

Greg

[dante]

I agree with Braincell mostly. I dont think the SPF GUI is bad, I just think Propellerheads GUI is more advanced in some respects as it had to be to get the market share it has today. Creamware got market share because of DSP power when CPU power was way lower. But propheads managed to squeeze the most out of Host CPU while presenting a great GUI.

I've suggested in a prevoius post that the Reason Combinator was a stroke of genius & I would like to see similar in Scope. Especially with the complexity Xite introduces. Scope is good in that you can see an overview of all your connections at once without scrolling, but a few combinators on your workspace would replace the mess of dozens of devices.....

[valis]

Perhaps it's just what you're used to? Personally I find the UI in Reason way too constrained, though as just a modular synth style rack (where I'm not trying to do all my composing on it) it can yield interesting results. But I have had widescreen monitors going back to to when I used a 24" CRT that cost me $2300 (since I do graphics as well) and even my laptops aren't 15" these days.

At the same time I wouldn't want to work entirely on Scope either. I think a big part of the discussions on these forums re: Scope vs * ignores something, that elsewhere discussions like this tend to revolve around "what would you want on a desert island if you could only have ONE of..." but here it's simple Scope vs. (Reason, Cubase, Omnisphere etc) which imo misses the point.

[dante]

Well I started using SPF, Propellorheads and Steinberg UI's about the same time just under a decade ago so I'm used to them all. They are all good for the core purposes of thier program's intent. Cubase great for tracking/arranging, SFP great for interconnecting a studio and Reason/Record great for Racking up and mixing samplers.

I guess its just this specific example of the Combinator ( a saveable mix of devices with versatile I/O ) that I can see as a way of the future for managing large projects in any UI and Propheads got it right first. Its a bit like object oriented programming where you can package up blocks of code for re-usability elsewhere.

As for the desert island scenario where I could only have one of them, then this choice wouldn't be GUI driven at all, but based purely on functionality - eg SPF wouldnt be much use to me without a sequencer. If Reason/Record could be counted as one, I would choose them. Otherwise I'd be forced to just use Cubase.

[braincell]

Perhaps it's just what you're used to? Personally I find the UI in Reason way too constrained,.

You can hit Tab and then it's the same as the SFP and just as messy.

[valis]

I know how to flip it over, and I'm aware that they eventually added the ability to 'tear' the sequencer off of the main UI and make it larger. Just stating my opinion

[dante]

Reason / Record combo is even better in this aspect, coz in a dual screen setup you can 'tear' the SSL mixer onto one monitor leaving your rack/sequencer on the other....the SSL9000 is a great mixer. The only area I prefer STM is the graph based EQ's coz you can manipulate the boost/cut and frequency as one point on the graph in a single movement rather than having to adjust boost/cut and frequency seperately on the SSL. But I guess this is not a reflection on propheads, since they are only modelling the original SSL look ....

It does seem a lot nicer desk easthetically than STM - I cant really say that it 'sounds' as good or better though - thats more of a DSP vs Host debate - nothing to do with a GUI debate.

For my work, whether in SPF or Reason/Record, the routing 'mess' is mostly dealt with during setup, and a little during tracking/arrangement. Over the life of a project though (remixing etc after tracking), its the mixers that are then mainly dealt with.

[Mr Arkadin]

Personally I find that mixer GUI horribly garish - I don't like to have to wear to mix.

[siriusbliss]

I still prefer to be able to put things where I want them.

G

[dante]

I still prefer to be able to put things where I want them.

G

Well with the SLL mixer you can at least drag and drop the channel strips to any position left or right. You cant do that with STM !