Nuendo & Pulsar II

Mo · Post by Mo » Wed May 23, 2001 3:02 am

thanks pablo, thanks.

you´re crack enough to give me an almost scientific way to analyse my system, i´ll see what´s the matter, i hope...

you also mentioned a dialogue box i´ve completely forgotten - the windows device manager settings...

right...

if everything´s fine with 9.03 on a p2 350, i guess everything had also to be fine with sonar on a p2 400, at least with half the tracks you mentioned

what about directX? on the cakewalk-site i always read about dx8, but i just have dx7a installed. is it possible that this is the matter?

yesterday i de-installed sonar (was so frustrating), and stuck with logic. but logic´s not w2k-compliant yet, and CW says its w2k-soft is available in summer. hmm, so i´m not sure about my future work environment. if i used logic (which would vst-enable my system, and give me some reverb), i had to wait till september (5.0 is w2k-compl.) and run winME till then... well... however... i have much time to evaluate and to test... maybe it´s logic... maybe it´s sonar... i´ll report.

thanks again,
Mo

PabloFasan · Post by **PabloFasan** » Wed May 23, 2001 5:53 am

The lack of DirectX 8 could be the problem, you can download it free from Microsoft site.

As I know, DX8 is required for Sonar, independent of the new drivers it has realtime monitoring and for this is necessary the DX8.

And very important, Pulsar DOES NOT WORK under win NT, Win 2000 and Win Milenium are different OS.

cheers

janila · Post by **janila** » Wed May 23, 2001 8:52 am

I just have to stick my spoon to this mess..

Is it possible to use the Pulsar ASIO drivers with more than one program at a time? The ASIO devices are multichannel as the Windows Wave Drivers use only two channels. It is easy to direct different programs to different Wave Drivers but the case is somewhat different with ASIO.

And my opinion about Cakewalk. It sucks. I used the 9.03 version for a while but now I'm using Nuendo. I use short samples and create loops from them. Cakewalk changes the short samples somehow, they sound terrible compared to what the exactly same sample sounds in Wavelab or SoundForge. Also the timing in Cakewalk sucks, one producer guy once listened to my track and asked me if I used Cakewalk as the timing wasn't steady. I agreed with him. Nuendo is more efficient than Cakewalk. I had an AVI clip and several long tracks in Cakewalk and it really was one giant pain in the ass! Nuendo works fine and keeps begging for more. Also Cakewalk has no decent automation, no realtime preview of plugins, no real sample editor.. Only things I miss are the Score editor and the possibility to have several clips played in the same track simultaneously.

Maybe the thing Pablo said about American producers using Cakewalk instead of the "complex and not practical" European sequencers tells more about the American producers than the European sequencers..

PabloFasan · Post by **PabloFasan** » Wed May 23, 2001 11:26 am

Dear Janila:

I have none of this terrible audio and sync problems.

Cakewalk need to be fine calibrated, and I know that this is sometimes difficult.

About sound quality we have discussed here enough, and my opinion is well known.

But I must remark that I´m not a fan of any program , I use aside Cakewalk, Nuendo, Digital Performer, Wavelab 3.03 and Sound Forge 5 and sometimes Logic.

So I think that I´m far to be the "brother" of the owner of Cakewalk.

We could discuss a lot about what sounds better and what is more efficient, also we can compare open vs. shut systems, hardware based vs. software based and so to the infinite.

Probably we will not arrive to any common conclusion.

This is a help forum, and if I had post many times about Cakewalk is due there are a lot of users of this program requesting help about this program, that I know well.

We must not forget that first of all this programs are simple tools for create music, so what´s important is the MUSIC not the tool.

Cheers

algorhythm · Post by **algorhythm** » Mon Jun 18, 2001 6:59 am

just have throw down my $.02 -

pablo - please do not speak on behalf of "Americans," but rather just your personal opinion, because such generalizations are problematic and not applicable to all considered.

ProTools is the 'standard' DAW, but I doubt the consensus of choice regarding sequencing with Cakewalk that you spout about (froth about?). I am American, and I think that Germans have the best engineering going, hands down. Logic, Cubase, and Pulsar are the best stuff going IMHO and they are all german.

And not everyone in America considers only musicians in the tradional sense to be real musicians. a computer is more than an editing and recording tool. it is an instrument itself.

let me guess Pablo - you make Rock and Roll?

have fun with cakewalk, directx, DXi, wav drivers, and all of your other 'pro audio tools'

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[ This Message was edited by: algorhythm on 2001-06-18 08:01 ]

Mo · Post by Mo » Mon Jun 18, 2001 3:57 pm

I am American, and I think that Germans have the best engineering going, hands down. Logic, Cubase, and Pulsar are the best stuff going IMHO and they are all german.

well, thanks from germany for this, but i think it´s just a different philosophy of engineering. imho germans like 'bleeding edge' technology, and they are very attracted by superlatives... you americans don´t mind if the technology is not state of the art, as long as full functionality is given. 'never change a running system' is not a german word...

...i consider the american philosophy as more professional (though i wish of course twelve tone systems had adapted the vst interface, as it´s well approved now...)

a computer is more than an editing and recording tool. it is an instrument itself.

true. one more reason why people like different software, as they are different, and like different 'interfaces' - i personally don´t like cubase much, but i like cakewalk (even the excel tables...

) it just lacks (lacked?) a few things i wanted to have, like low-latency drivers and vst. but i know people who aren´t interested in asio and vst, because their way of working is different. they are absolutely satisfied with cakewalk.

have fun with cakewalk, directx, DXi, wav drivers, and all of your other 'pro audio tools' :

they are just tools. btw, with wdm-drivers are similar low latencies possible as with asio.

have fun

MaxiMax · Post by **MaxiMax** » Sat Apr 27, 2002 8:49 am

Hello Pablo!

I use Sonar xl 2.00 too!
I would like recently to upgrade to windows xp ... but i had few problems : first with the 3.01 pulsar soft you cannot put a 24bit driver ... is there an issue to use 24bit resolution on xp with pulsar?
second problem is that i have a delay between midi and audio !
Third problem (may be is not a problem but still strange...) when i push play , sonar has a difficulty in the begining to play.

Can you help me?

Maxime.

[ This Message was edited by: MaxiMax on 2002-05-05 21:35 ]