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I've just recently looked back at my startingpoint Reaso. Well, actually it was ReBirth, but Reason really turned me on! And I have to admit, that I really like the workflow in Reason. If only I could get my CW synths and Effects in there I'd be in heaven.

So how do you like that idea: Reason-shell + CW-engine?

Gotta agree with you there petal, its a shame you can't be in reason XTC!

Oh yeah! Reason-XTC.... I'd love that

well, as far as i read up a couple of years ago, reason was designed and always will be designed as a self contained studio.

if i am wrong, and it will trasnspond an itty bitty tiny bit of midi, hey, we're there =

Doesn't Reason have MIDI out? You can sequence an SFP synth in exactly the same way. You'd only have one extra MIDI and audio routing stage in SFP, but you could at least fatten up the Reason channels thru some SFP effects.

On 2005-07-27 18:55, piddi wrote:
well, as far as i read up a couple of years ago, reason was designed and always will be designed as a self contained studio.

if i am wrong, and it will trasnspond an itty bitty tiny bit of midi, hey, we're there =

I don't know much about Reason(except I heard Maelstrom and I wish they made a VSTi out of it). Doesn't Rewire help in getting stuff in and out of Reason?

Nope, reason doesn't have midi out, and ReWire is only to ease the integration with another sequencer host.

And yes, Reason is a selfcontained studio, which is actually part of the reason why I like the workflow so much - no shifting between programs or windows, everything is easy accessable.

The Reason shell + CW Engine-thing was merely whishful thinking, not something I actually expect to see... Although it would be a cool product...

It is curious for me the love so many people give to this soft, I have tryed it long ago, and it didn't like much, particularly this sort of "plastic" sound it had. Perhaps today it is a much better program.

I love the workflow too, and it support mackie control, and can dynamically map anything to Kenton control freak, pc1600, bcf and about all available midi keyboard on the market. That's integration

It can also load about 45 synth + 40 effects @ 24/96 on my laptop without slowing down. Talk to me about optimized program.

I was like you Nestor, i tried reason v2 a long time ago, and didn't like the sound at all. But recently, someone showed me the new v3, and it sound alot more better.

You can almost master the complete song in it with the "m class" mastering effects included.

It's stability made me using it as the sampler here in rewire with nuendo (you can have 64 differents outputs to nuendo if you like) or a sound module for my external sequencer.

All my akai and sts program are already converter to reason's refill format.

Alot more efficient than using STS if you ask me I still use sts5000 to build programs, but i quickly convert all of them to refills before really using them.

Reason v3 is good for what it was made. Very good in fact. I love it

I use Reason and love it. At first I didn't use it that much but now I do all the time. Rewire makes it really easy to fly parts into Cubase. I wish that Creamware had rewire! You don't have to think about midi, just select the device and hit record, then when you want to turn it into a wav file you just export that track to disk and Cubase automatically imports the wav into your song. It takes seconds and very little thought. To those of you thinking about upgrading from Reason 2.0 to Reason 3.0; The combinator comes with some great presets and they lowered the upgrade price a bit. As far as the sound is concerned, the synths are not as fat as Creamware but remember that several devices such as the drum machine and the sampler will play any sound and it comes with a huge bank of excellent samples. The rhythm seems tighter than Cubase. Creamware doesn't need a sequencer but it does need rewire. Rewire integrates software beautifully in a way that ASIO does not. I tried XTC mode and I think it's a dog. I will not try it again.



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: braincell on 2005-07-28 05:19 ]</font>

I'm not really sure what ReWire gives you that ASIO and MIDI do not. It's just a way of passing audio and MIDI between programs. And the transport buttons are synced up. This might actually be useful if SFP was a sequencer but it's not...

Surely it would be easier and more useful for Propellerheads to give Reason MIDI out, rather than CW somehow implementing ReWire?

Brain, you mean you can just lets say “plug” Reason to Cubase and use all its instruments as if they were VSTi? Is this what you are saying? And that you can convert on the fly those MIDI tracks coming from Reason to Wav into the interface of Cubase, becoming each of them a stereo track? If I well understood you, that it fantastic, please confirm me I understood you correctly, cheers.

I've never tried Reason, but I'm sure I should like it too.
If I've got right what you're talking about:

Reason don't use Asio drivers, so the single tracks can be only processed and mixed inside itself

external midi sequences can be only played syncronized by Rewire

Scope don't recognize its midi in/out as sequencer midi in/out.

Does Scope get the Reason out as wave source?
And what about latency? How can use Reason with harware implementing low latency drivers?

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Cochise on 2005-07-28 07:16 ]</font>

I think in all honesty, the simplest solution to using Reason or say, something like ABlive for an SFP user (if space, cash etc allow) is to run Reason on your laptop or 2nd system (PC/MAC) simply piping the audio into SFP via Adat, spdif or whatever for FX, mixing & mastering. In this way of working you will overcome the issue of integration by a process of de-integration & gain a sub-system which someone else can be programming & tweaking while 'you' deal with synths, control, processing, mixing & mastering to record. This beats the 'do everything in one bottlenecked enviroment' mindset into something worthy of the title 'studio'.

I can't see possibility of synchronization in that way.
Probably cause i'm not a DJ..

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Cochise on 2005-07-28 08:36 ]</font>

..I'm wrong.
Sync by midi system real time messages (clock, start, stop, continue), I guess?

Hey Cochise,

Reason does use Asio-drivers, but why don't you check out the demo from their website instead? :

http://www.propellerheads.se/

Thomas

I'll try out, thanks.
The onboard audio on this machine (it's not the DAW, actually) has spdif in/out and midi port.
What latency can I expect without Ulli, if I'll try to install Reason here?

Well, depending on your machines specifications around 46ms, thats what I have on my laptop, which is fine for me and the way that I work. I almost never use midi in, so doesn't really matter much to me. When I run Reason on my CW-setup, it runs at the same latency as that which my ULLI is set to.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: petal on 2005-07-29 03:21 ]</font>

I've just had a look at the program.
It seems sequencing can be made without keyboard, like the groove box programming, so midi in ain't essential; as a self contained studio, latency is not matter..

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