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So who were AUDIOWERKS ?

http://www.audiowerks.com/library.htm
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a big mystery... but reads familiar: new pages coming soon :lol:

Triple was (at least) 'inspired' by SAW Studio
I only went SAW because of it's center screen focus handling, faster naming of regions and file names

cheers, Tom
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dante wrote:So who were AUDIOWERKS ?

http://www.audiowerks.com/library.htm
Apparently it was Anton Bernhardt who worked for Creamware U.S. tech Support.
http://mypage.direct.ca/a/abernhar/
http://www.planetz.com/Pulsar/Links.html
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There's still some content from the end of the 90's here at planetz by the way.
This is an article where Frank Hund explained why Pulsar needed "so much memory" (that is 128 MB...).

http://www.planetz.com/Pulsar/MemoryFrank.html

And here's one about the Waldorf OSC:
http://www.planetz.com/Pulsar/Waldorf.html

A list of Pulsar related news from February 1999 to April 2001:
http://www.planetz.com/Pulsar/PulsarNews.html
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Another interesting read IMO:
http://www.mediaandmarketing.com/13Writ ... SCOPE.html
CreamWare spent over 100 man-years of development to realize a highly sophisticated, general-purpose audio system with a revolutionary, completely open architecture. Our goal was to create a universal audio system that performs with the reliability of hardware solutions, but with the added flexibility that comes from fully configurable software.
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sunmachine wrote:Another interesting read IMO:
http://www.mediaandmarketing.com/13Writ ... SCOPE.html
CreamWare spent over 100 man-years of development to realize a highly sophisticated, general-purpose audio system with a revolutionary, completely open architecture. Our goal was to create a universal audio system that performs with the reliability of hardware solutions, but with the added flexibility that comes from fully configurable software.
Well, I think they did accomplish their goal. I haven't seen anything this flexible from anyone else.

-Tom
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Good old SAW Studio, made in Las Vegas, which is why Showrooms loved the personal support from the developer as he would come to the gig and actually take over for guys who got into trouble in a live venue.
First saw Triple DAT there too. Then Ali (Canada Creamware guy) sent a card to a retailer I hung with that showed me what was happening.
Ending up buying the Nord Modular instead, then finally tried Scope Cards in 2003......
Wow 12 years later I am still a Scoper for life.. :wink:
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sunmachine wrote:Another interesting read IMO:
http://www.mediaandmarketing.com/13Writ ... SCOPE.html
CreamWare spent over 100 man-years of development to realize a highly sophisticated, general-purpose audio system with a revolutionary, completely open architecture. Our goal was to create a universal audio system that performs with the reliability of hardware solutions, but with the added flexibility that comes from fully configurable software.

That is a good find Sunmachine and is very revealing. I've always known that SCOPE's sophistication demmanded a lot of hardwork and man-hours. I've known that much more harder work went into SCOPE than most dsp platforms and Native software despite some people talking as if platforms like UAD offer more. Such talk is insanity, you can look at SCOPE's features and functionality and tell it took a lot more man-hours and a lot of money to develop SCOPE. Apollo is about to get midi routing after almost 4 years after its inception, it took Apollo a couple years to get better audio routing to-and-from the DAW into dsp-enviroment and it's still too rudimentary compared to SCOPE, it took UA 10 years to expand their platform to include REALtime-interface-dsp for they only had a Native-VST-based dsp solution for over a decade. Apollo doesn't have countless basic features that SCOPE has but is slowly adding them as the years go by (VERY SLOWLY). The reason it's taking UA years to add even the most basic necessities is because such features and functionality is costly to develope and can take a long time. Frank Hund was pointing out the cost of SCOPE's sophistication in your above quote. To me this great cost of SCOPE's sophistication has always been self-evident but to those fooled by marketing and more shiny shiny plugins tend to think UA has the greater accomplishments. More new uad plugins with famouse names will keep the users focus off core-platform-functionality but over time some do complain and wonder why it is taking UA so long to implement even the most simple and basic things in to Apollo. It's easy to take the sophisticated routing and modular environment of SCOPE for granted but there are good reasons other enviroments don't have or are slow to get these things. Many users of other platforms are always asking for the type of features and functionality SCOPE has to be brought to their platform (such as uad users), I never understood this, if you want SCOPE's features why not just buy SCOPE? It makes more sense to buy the platform that has already what you want rather than the platform that gets a little more of what you want over time but never quite get there, and in some cases may never will get there. Just playing catch-up. My thoughts on a very revealing quote of yours. Good find!


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Sounddesigner wrote:I found another SCOPE synth that no longer exists that has a similar name to the SCOPE synth Han's used and named the song on the Black Hawk Down soundtrack after. Hans said the SCOPE synth he used and named the sountrack song after is 'Synchrotone'. I found this:

"From Amptown/Grenzfrequenz comes the monophonic Synchrotron Lead Synthesizer."

I found out about Amptown/Grenzfrequenz when I did a search for Orbitone Syn-chrome at Harmony Central. Below is a link to the article wich is about Creamware first starting to sell 3rd party developers devices on-line. It's from the year 2000:

http://www.harmonycentral.com/news/crea ... es-on-line
Here's the original Grenzfrequenz Synchrotron web site from 2002:
http://web.archive.org/web/200206082037 ... /index.htm
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sunmachine wrote:
Here's the original Grenzfrequenz Synchrotron web site from 2002:
http://web.archive.org/web/200206082037 ... /index.htm
grenzfreq.png
Good stuff! That synth is from the year 2000. I'm fairly sure it was the synth Hans Zimmer used. Interesting and enjoyable when looking at SCOPE's past.
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By the way, if you like the wayback machine as much as I do, please consider a donation to keep it alive!
Just did that earlier today, too. :)
Here's the direct link: https://archive.org/donate/
Seems like a worthy site so I gave a small donation amount. Will definitely keep this Archive website in mind when I'm curious about past information regarding things of my interest.
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Nice! Forgot about that synth. Good find!
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One thing is clear , time has shown that the idea is great and it worked , I do not know any device that has such a long life and fulfilling his task with distinction , to continue taking new applications, devices and almost for free , my first card was "Pulsar" with four DSPs an environment mixing , signal routing and synthesizers, own science fiction . I bought the card and a Alesis ADAT 8 I / O used a student and friend and 2 years later I could buy the large scope dsp with 15 DSP effects and synthesizers and , in 2003 .
I remember full-page ads in Future Music , Spanish edition . My dream fulfilled
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Creamware REMIX - a limited special tripleDAT-Edition (from twenty years ago).
Back then Creamware offered tripleDAT version 1 users to upgrade to version 2.
For that they had to send back their old cards.
Those cards were then given a second life with this REMIX pack.
On the packaging it reads that you got the hardware for 1 German Mark.
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Great mining of info here. Thanks!

This site lists lots of older Scope devices...
http://www.exquisa2.de/Rabarber/SEITEN/ ... _devic.htm
Use the drop-down on the top left corner to select pages ("seiten"). 17 pages there!

If you're interested, I've downloaded the available devices from across these 17 pages, and put the zip up on Dropbox - all listed here:
http://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=32294

I've been on Scope for under 5 years, but you really grow an affinity to the presence of Scope on your system, purring away, doing it's thing... It's like getting a baby, with this enormous potential, that I nurture and encourage, and we both grow together, as it gives back as much or more than I put into it. Super platform! Hardware and software lasting years! It says so much!

When so much else in computing has 'moved on' over the near-20 years that Scope has been around, yet still there's still nothing quite as extensive as Scope today, you know you have something special on your hands. It was just all just done right in the first place. Technically, and technologically, the platform holds my total respect. And yeah, it sounds class too ;-)
Not because it is easy, but because it is hard...
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