Minimoog vs Minimax (vectorscope, spectrograph & waveforms)

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GUI-BUG |Re: Minimoog vs Minimax (vectorscope, spectrograph & waveforms)

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Re: GUI-BUG |Re: Minimoog vs Minimax (vectorscope, spectrograph & waveforms)

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Spielraum wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 2:18 pm

unfortunately I have to agree with you now :o
OSC1-3 waveform
GO ani-frames not correctly matched.
frame range must be corrected ...
faxi was allowed to pimp the sdk project,
but he didn't think of the BUG,
then he probably didn't correct the CC-BUGs,
I have to check ...
SCmini7-GUI-BUG-2020_05_06.gif
Now, since SCOPE v7 64bit (latest build) is up w/ all the included and commercial 3rd party devices,- I looked into it in depth last nite.
Well,- it´s probably more worst than I recognized before (or already was ...) !

Here it comes step by step:


OSC #1

Range Switch:

1)
Start moving the switch from position "LO" upwards to 32', 16' and back to "LO".
You can go back ´n forth between LO / 32' and 16' ,-
and pitch follows graphics (movement of chicken head switch) ...

2)
NOW,-
start w/ 16' and slowly move the mouse slightly upwards,-
you´ll hear an octave jump (up to 8') w/o any movement of the switch visible in direction to 8' position !
Then,- when moving the switch to 8' position, you´ll hear 4' and when you switch up to 4' you won´t hear any change.
When you´re back to 16', you hear 8'.
Now move mouse 1-2mm downwards and you´ll hear 16' but again won´t see any movement of the switch.

3)
Go up to 2' and back to 4' you´ll see and hear the change,- go back to 8',- no change ... go back to 16' you hear 8',- move mouse down a bit, you hear 16' but don´t see the change.

So,- in most settings for OSC #1 & #2, OSC ranges look different even sounding 8' unison !

4)
OSC #2 (and #3)

Chicken head pointer not accurate in 8' position,- also not in 4' position, but less ...
OSC #3 is better but also not perfect.
But I dunno how perfect it can be realized in SCOPE SDK, but I think the gross errors should be fixed.

AND ...

5)
ALL the OSC waveform switches show exactly the same behaviour than the OSC #1 "RANGE" switch !!!
Check the same movements I described above, listen and watch the chicken head pointer of the switch.
It´s exactly the same pattern as discribed for the RANGE switch and you don´t hear what you see

And while we nitpick,-

6)
OSC #2 & #3 tune controls need some finer adjustment options, especially around the center (12:00h) of the "fine tune" pot.
The difference between NO OSC frequency beat and the slightest change up or down is much too large.
No way to get the narrow tuning for (p.ex. Jan hammer´s) leads introducing very slow OSC pitch drift.

And I´d still wish for a post VCF/ pre- (int.-)FX mono insert point even that has nothing to do w/ bugs and fixes a.t.m..

And now, we should think about moving the thread to "general scope" discussion or perhaps "devices".
It´s MINIMAX in general, not only ASB and Klangbox.
Can be, all the users not owning ASB and/or Klangbox don´t read.

:)

Bud

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Re: GUI-BUG |Re: Minimoog vs Minimax (vectorscope, spectrograph & waveforms)

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Bud Weiser wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 4:15 am
And now, we should think about moving the thread to "general scope" discussion or perhaps "devices".
It´s MINIMAX in general, not only ASB and Klangbox.
Board index > Discussion > Tips & Tricks
MINIMAX v7 GUI Pot Study 2020
https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=36476

check Global Setting
PotMovement
Round1/2: oK
Vertikal: Bug

i can life with it :wink:
we don't want to scare holger completely...
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Re: GUI-BUG |Re: Minimoog vs Minimax (vectorscope, spectrograph & waveforms)

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Spielraum wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 1:36 pm
Bud Weiser wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 4:15 am
And now, we should think about moving the thread to "general scope" discussion or perhaps "devices".
It´s MINIMAX in general, not only ASB and Klangbox.
Board index > Discussion > Tips & Tricks
MINIMAX v7 GUI Pot Study 2020
https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=36476

check Global Setting
PotMovement
Round1/2: oK
Vertikal: Bug

i can life with it :wink:
we don't want to scare holger completely...
That´s a workaround !
But w/ all my software, I always prefered working w/ vertical mouse movement,- so I did w/ SCOPE too and never tried the other options.
Why should I ?
They offer "vertical" so I wanna use it, last but not least because it´s a "global" setting for overall SCOPE and not Minimax alone.
It´s much easier clicking on a virtual control and just only hoover the mouse up or down vs drawing circles.
It should be fixed IMO.

thx for diving in !

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Re: GUI-BUG |Re: Minimoog vs Minimax (vectorscope, spectrograph & waveforms)

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Bud Weiser wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 6:43 pm
It should be fixed IMO.
...and if the vertical option is removed in the next update, what then? i would be sad then.
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Re: GUI-BUG |Re: Minimoog vs Minimax (vectorscope, spectrograph & waveforms)

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Spielraum wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 1:36 am
Bud Weiser wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 6:43 pm
It should be fixed IMO.
...and if the vertical option is removed in the next update, what then? i would be sad then.
Do you call removing not working things "fixes" ?

:)

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Re: Minimoog vs Minimax (vectorscope, spectrograph & waveforms)

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yes.

there are always complaints. of course things that don't work correctly are certainly frustrating, but i notice that nobody ever complains about the inconsistencies of Windows. Windows NEVER works 100% correctly. no software does, or ever has, if it is even somewhat complex, unless it's in a custom os, and even then, there are usually bugs.

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Re: Minimoog vs Minimax (vectorscope, spectrograph & waveforms)

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garyb wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 5:37 am
..., but i notice that nobody ever complains about the inconsistencies of Windows. Windows NEVER works 100% correctly.
Yeah ! It´s me ... I complain about Windows all day !
But it doesn´t help since almost everything is made for Win or Mac OSX,- and SCOPE isn´t for Mac at all.
garyb wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 5:37 am
no software does, or ever has, if it is even somewhat complex, unless it's in a custom os, and even then, there are usually bugs.
Right,- but sometimes there are easy fixes,- no ?
I recognized that Minimax issue already w/ SCOPE 4.0 on PCI !

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Re: Minimoog vs Minimax (vectorscope, spectrograph & waveforms)

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no. right now, there are no easy fixes. it's better to focus on the big problems.

OSX won't be any better.

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Re: Minimoog vs Minimax (vectorscope, spectrograph & waveforms)

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garyb wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 9:38 am
no. right now, there are no easy fixes. it's better to focus on the big problems.

OSX won't be any better.
I think so ...
In the past, I hoped for BeOS,- but didn´t happen unfortunately.

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