8 BUSS DSP Hardware Effects Unit

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:35 pm

Could the SDK guys break off and make DSP designs in hardware?

I was wondering if this learning process of designing w/ SDK is beneficial in learning how to develope and design a hardware based DSP effects unit?

I have a very wealthy friend who is an X-FOH. I showed him some of the SDK stuff, and of course 3rd party stuff and he knows quality. He has used 480L's for years, as well as AMS, and Gamble consoles.

He can't quite leave the business.

But we both were commenting on how nice it would be to have an 8 BUSS design as in the 480L. 8 different reverbs at once.

I would pay dear money for a hardware unit like that. But have every kind of effect w/ the usual Scope type routings, not just a reverb.

The Kurzweil KSP8 was a step in this direction, but way underpowered. It could barely use 4 of it's 8 busses.

Imagine if Warp69, SpaceF, Celmo, MCCY, Shroomz, and others could all contribute. And even have a USB interface to use a monitor like the old Roland S700 samplers had.

Ah, forgetabouwdit. It was just a nice dream.

I see hardware DSP based units being the future in the studio and live. This one or the other approach to designing stuff is so dated IMHO.

Post by **garyb** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:44 pm

yes, well dsps are what make your lexicons work.......

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:58 pm

I have been thinking about a cheap hardware platform for reverbs - there you could load 4 instance of reverb (ex. 2x480L, 1xAMS RMX16, 1xEMT250) and probably a smaller unit for guitar where you could load 1 instance.

Post by **garyb** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:52 pm

interesting...

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:43 am

stardust wrote: and hall 100 ? maybe ?

Ehm, no. Much better quality.

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:45 am

The Sonic Timeworks Bricasti

Casey · Post by **Casey** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:46 am

I thought Martin said cheap.

-Casey

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:51 pm

Since hardware can be routed into Scope, I would buy it no problem.

It could work inside and outside of Scope.

Warp69, Let me know if you decide to build one.

I might have someone interested. He has experience in the marketing, and manufacturing sector.

And Money !!

Strength And Honor,

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:19 pm

Casey wrote:I thought Martin said cheap.

-Casey

Well well well - welcome Casey - the developer of the extremely nice Bricasti M7 reverb - the one to beat.

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:27 pm

The EMT 250 could easily be done - but the its far from a product. You was just dreaming, remember??

Its not the actual algorithms thats missing, but someone to build the DSP board.

Jimmy - you should really consider the M7 from Bricasti if you're looking for hardware - as you know I own one and its clearly one of the best reverbs created.

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:30 pm

stardust wrote:are you serious ?

Yes - absolutely.

www.bricasti.com

Casey · Post by **Casey** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:36 pm

Barry (EMT 250 alg developer) has told me that he considers the algorithm to be public domain.

Martin is right, it is a very simple algorithm. I would say most of the work is in recreating the analog and digital artifacts.

-Casey

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:05 pm

Yes - thats correct. But I still think very few people actually have the originals diagrams - otherwise we would have seen alot of plugins, no?

Its not the same as the one he patented - I might add.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:09 pm

I have loved the sound of reverb since I was a child playing in the sewers.

Your opinion is held in high regards here, so you think the Bricasti is the best?

Then I must demo one.

Sweetwater has them for 3600 USD.

If I was to drown, let it be in reverb.

So It Shall Be Written, So It Shall Be Done.

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:12 pm

its nice to have a M7 developer over here. So welcome Casey.
I guess you are not a scope user at all and just registered for a talk.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:12 pm

We are blessed by the best here today !!

I really want to demo an M7 Brotha' Man Casey.

I assume you would know where a local retailer might have one within a 400 mile radius?

I will be gigging in the Bay Area in Februrary, would Leo's have one?

They have Crane Song and Manley, surely they would have a Bricasti 'eh?

BTW. I still love Lexicon.

I own, and have owned many, prior to the HK buyout. Nothing since the 81 and 91 though. Lexicon as a VST ?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

That Dog Won't Hunt.

Casey · Post by **Casey** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:43 pm

S4L - Let me check with our US distributor tomorrow. I will PM you.

So, anyway yes, came here to hang. I've had some back and forth with Martin, and subseqently checked out this forum.

Very nice to shoot it out with fellow developers.

For the new year I promised myself I would get out more. This does count as getting out, right?

-Casey

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:29 pm

Jimmy - I also just love reverbs - I simply cant get enough - and I also love the Lexicon sound.

I would say that the M7 is probably the best reverb in creating realistic hall emulation, but not that far from the Lexicon sound (Lexicon is no near realistic, but more washy and lush). You can infact get something similar to the Lexicon sound.

The M7 has one algorithm for all the presets, but different kinds of early reflections - just like the VSS4 algorithm from TC Electronic.

Casey - size does matter

chriskorff · Post by **chriskorff** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:00 am

Casey -

Your location, is that Cambridge UK? That's where I'm based! Funny that, I think I just sent the SOS review model back to SCV London (your UK distributors, I believe?)

Not sure if you've seen it yet, but the review is in the February 2008 issue. Needless to say, Paul White was quite taken with it!

Give me a shout if you haven't got a copy yet, I can pop one in the post for you.

Cheers!

Chris

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:19 pm

As suspected your description of Lexicon was spot on again.

I always realised it was the " Lexicon sound ", and not really the perfect emulation of rooms and halls.

But it worked perfectly on sampled content, and vocals that used a quality mic and mic pre.

Thanks for stepping in and chatting to us.

It's quite a priveledge IMHO.

I AM NOT WORTHY