How to optimize windows 10 for Scope to avoid clicks and pops!?

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Re: How to optimize windows 10 for Scope to avoid clicks and pops!?

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petal wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 4:37 am
garyb wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 4:39 pm why not use win7?
MIghtyclub, I'm gonna spare you the pain from trying to install Windows 7 on your Asus Prime h370 plus mobo. Windows 7 is not supported by newer hardware anymore, so you can't install windows 7, unless you want to jump through even more hoops and new PITA problems.
Oh my! Any others besides this one?
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As I understand it, there are work arounds that will enable you to install windows 7 on newer systems, but getting it to work is difficult and not a smooth proces. Once I realized, that microsoft and Intel are working together to not have you install Windows 7 on newer systems, I decided not to spend more hours on trying and am now installing Windows 7 on my 4790k system instead - to close the circle as they say.

And that concludes the story (I hope) of how I gave up on Windows 10 and ended up with a dedicated music computer running Scope and Windows 7.
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Re: How to optimize windows 10 for Scope to avoid clicks and pops!?

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I’m on windows 10 and using cubase 11..

I was experience click like stuff (glitch like, as if cpu overload or streaming from hard disk gets interrupted)

Any how’s, deactivating asio guard inside cubase almost eliminates it.. does eliminate it..👀)
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garyb wrote: Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:14 pm there shouldn't be that much needed.
if the usual tweaks from the pdf that accompanied v7 don't work, then there is another problem, either a plugin, a digital sync problem, or a background app(OneDrive?).

to check for a background app issue, open the task manager when there are problems, go to the "details" page and look for anything using significant cpu that is not your audio apps.

do you allow win10 to be connected to the internet? if not, DO IT. win10 MUST update, if it is frustrated in that action, it will continue to try and will use resources doing so. i always allow my machine to be on for 10-15 minutes before i use it, to allow all the apps that wish to check for updates to do so. if i do that, i am click free. if i don't, there are clicks.
Going to try the 10 minute thing. I always allow it to settle, but don’t go past a few minutes. 😀

I recently upgrade from xp to windows 10..

Was experience clicks that I do t on the xp set up…

As I’ve just posted above, deactivating asio guard helped a lot, and practically eliminates it. But it happens once in a while still..

Hoping that doing the wait 10 minutes thing will completely eliminate it.
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Oh my.. it works..

Let windows 10 rest fir 10 minutes. I’ve also turned off asio guard, what I take from that is this, any daw that interferes with asio, you want to turn that shit off, SCOPE deals with asio…

Thanks Gary.. I’ve not heard single click so far.. (been playing back project that was clicking about 5 times now, not a single click,, perfect playback) 🥳
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garyb wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 8:40 am setting power to "high performance" is not really the answer. i use "balanced" and then i disable usb selective suspend and set the minimum and maximum cpu use at maximum. in addition, link state power management is set to "off" in the PCI Express menu.

shutup 10 is not something i would use. all those settings are available in Windows settings. i do not know how a program like that interacts with the computer during use.

all those things in the the steinberg and BH photo pages that you use are more or less what there is to do, but most are redundant.

the fact that those pages exist, illustrates that plenty of other people that did not have Scope cards have had win10 issues.
Also I noticed a “turn off hard drive after 20 minutes” in the settings.

Changed that to “never”
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Strange though that the crappy onboard audio device never, Never gave a single pop in wave playback.

Perhaps scope modules could update and let us set even higher latency settings for wave, and asio.

I hope we will finally fix this headache of 1,2 pops every few minutes that is common to many of us, users of scope.
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ASIO is not a problem. Wave IS, that is a problem that is not new, but hopefully the next version will address this. it is not simple.

if you have 1-2 pops every few minutes with ASIO, the problem is setup.

latency settings for Wave are handled in the host, not Scope. ASIIO latency is handled in Scope.
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If you have pops every few minutes in Scope you still will need to run a DPC Latency Checker and a tool like Process Hacker to identify what is causing the issue. Typically this won't be a Windows service, but at times it *might* be made worse by an errant video driver.

More typically (for the average user, not necessarily YOU) it will be background software used for things like LED lighting schemes (on a keyboard etc), macro editing (again keyboard or mouse software) or even the 'overclocking' style software provided from the motherboard maker or etc. Sometimes it can be something that seems completely innocuous, like Skype or a piece of software running in the background that keeps an audio stream open (Discord, Google.com & Chrome, and many other applications are ALWAYS listening, even when they do not appear to do so).
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the Task Manager is usually informing enough.
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The color coding and graphing in Process Hacker help me quite a bit, and note that I found an errant kernel level 'anti-cheat' driver doing things that it wasn't supposed to do (naughty naughty Blackrock/Vanguard) via process hacker which does not show up in Task Manager or the normal windows Services list.
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right click the start button, choose computer management from the menu.
on left go to services
scroll to bottom of list and look for service name "windows update"
right click it and choost stop.
right click it and choose properties.
change the startup type to disabled
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Scope isn’t the problem.. scope reveals problems with a system.. 😂
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just allow it to update first.
people gotta use the latest os, but the os is now a service, not a product.
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I don’t have time to wait 10-15 minutes on boot.. it sapps my creativity as well.

This removes the interfering load of shite that is Windows update..

It’s made my life a lot smoother.. it works, it ain’t broke, so why “update” anything..

Can of course still update it manually and press that button “WHEN I WANT IT TO HAPPEN”

So yeah, one can have windows 10 “OFF GRID”

I’m in control. Not windows.
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garyb wrote: Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:15 pm just allow it to update first.
people gotta use the latest os, but the os is now a service, not a product.
How much of an effect do think using a “mobile” external hdd for all the projects/asio etc and using a ssd as the os hard drive on a ten year old pc hardware (sata 1) is having?

I know software is starting to not behave nice with old cpu chips, for example, wavelab pro 11… it’s new restoration plug in crashes systems with old amd processors that don’t follow “the new instruction set”..,
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