Could this be the Shreddage Killer ?

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Could this be the Shreddage Killer ?

Post by dante » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:38 am

Its called 'IronAxe' https://www.xhun-audio.com/site/xhun.php?page=ironaxe- and its modelled - so no bulky sample library or clunky Kontakt UI's :

https://youtu.be/DBprZajoqc0

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Re: Could this be the Shreddage Killer ?

Post by Marco » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:16 am

Well this vst guitar is a crutch, yes it's a better one than all others, but as a guitar player.... I keep my shoes on. Synthesizers are synthesizers and guitars are guitars.
:wink: out and about for music production. Are you still configguring your Studio :lol: music first!

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Re: Could this be the Shreddage Killer ?

Post by Bud Weiser » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:28 am

Marco wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:16 am
Well this vst guitar is a crutch, yes it's a better one than all others, but as a guitar player.... I keep my shoes on. Synthesizers are synthesizers and guitars are guitars.
I don´t even know if you´re a good guitar player.
Most are posers.
I know lots of guitar players I´d never use in a band, on tour or for recordings and sometimes it´s better using a software, last but not least because of the fee they want for a mediocre result at the end of the day.

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Re: Could this be the Shreddage Killer ?

Post by dante » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:17 am

Guitar VST and Guitar Amp/FX modelling has come a long way even since Shreddage 1. I remember saying to DawMan just a few years ago that the only way to get a good guitar sound is with a guitar. But I'm somewhat reversed on that position now. You cant get a real guitar sound/performance with a keyboard (& virtual stuff) but you can certainly get a very good one.

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Re: Could this be the Shreddage Killer ?

Post by Bud Weiser » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:53 pm

dante wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:17 am
I remember saying to DawMan just a few years ago that the only way to get a good guitar sound is with a guitar.
I really think that´s true,- as it is for a violin.
The expressivity is extremely complex.
dante wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:17 am
But I'm somewhat reversed on that position now. You cant get a real guitar sound/performance with a keyboard (& virtual stuff) but you can certainly get a very good one.
exactly !

The instrument itself and even you sample "deeply" or model, is less than 50%.
It´s all about how you deal/play w/ a sound, especially when it comes to software,- even hardware synthesizers.
Lyle Mays said you have to "cook" your patches like a good meal until they are expressively playable.
That was right !
It´s not the gear, it´s the user.
For sure, there´s a learning curve when using software and you have to make lots of patches until it works for a given purpose,- but it will do.
It´s so good meanwhile.

OTOH, the real deal togeher w/ the right player will deliver (better) performance and variations in almost no time,- when the artist is good enough to deliver.
So, I myself, I don´t even try beating the specialists (real musicians).
It´s just only for the layouts.


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Re: Could this be the Shreddage Killer ?

Post by Sounddesigner » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:54 pm

I've never heard of Xhun Audio till now and i must say their IronAxe guitar plugin sounds VERY good to me. Native has been pretty strong in the Physical Modeling arena for a while now. It's not as good as the real deal wich is a expert musician playing a traditional instrument but good enough to fool the ears of the average joe :) and good enough to get the job done for sure. This ironaxe is definitely buy worthy for me so far anyways.

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Re: Could this be the Shreddage Killer ?

Post by Bud Weiser » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:01 am

Sounddesigner wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:54 pm
IronAxe guitar plugin sounds VERY good to me. ...
This ironaxe is definitely buy worthy for me so far anyways.
Yes, sounds good, but it´s always best to play such VI w/ a MIDI-guitar.
I´d wait until it´s version 2.0 and 64Bit compatible.

:)

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Post by dante » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:29 pm

Yep x64 and I’m in !

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Re: Could this be the Shreddage Killer ?

Post by dawman » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:57 pm

Shreddage 3 for Lynard Skynard ADT Sounding Guitar lead pisses off my Guitarist.
But I know how to play Guitar. Had an SG Standard I played. Hendrix, McLaughlin, Coryell, Eric Johnson.
But I play leads where that big sounding lead is needed and my Guitarist is good but doesnt have “that” sound.

One instance of any sampked guitar is ok, but you need more.
Ill explain.

Think of Ted Nugent or Iommi doing those dual string bends where they bend the B string while hitting the E string too, up a whole step to match the pitch.
One instance will not get you there.

But dual instances with different PBend values sure will.

I use 2 x Instances of Shreddage 3 hard panned with a value of a half step PBend on #1, a value of a whole step PBend on #2.
Then Orange Trees Heavy Metal Dracus with a whole step.

Sure its 3 x instances but for fat bastard rock I smoke the sound guitarists around here use with their dance floor sized pedal boards.
My acoustic sounds great too because I use a six string x 2. Pettinghouse and Orange Tree.
I can do Baby Im leaving you, Dust in the Wind, you name I can lkay it and it sounds great, and yes better than the dudes around here because if they arent lazy and bring an aciustic, they strum it which is fine, but I strum pick, a technique I adapted from playing guitar for years before I even thought to tackle Wakemen and Emerson.

Saturday night the guitarist from a famous Micheal Jackson tribute wasnt close enough to realize my guitarist wasnt doing the solos on Just Wanna make love to you by Foghat.
So when we did AC/DC he watched and after the set wanted to know what I was doing to make it sound so real I told him.

Fortunately his keyboard player is damn good and has a nice pro rig with Prominy Guitars, a Japanese kid who makes great sampled Guitar stuff too.
He called me today and thanked me for the tip.
Asked me what made you think of this?

I said one samoled guitar sucks, two and theee sound big, and I play Guitar so when your shit sucks you double or triple up.
My Electric Piano sound is Cantebury Rhodes, Piano Teq Rhodes and Crystal EPiano from Keyspace, My Acoustic Piano sound is Keyscape LA Grand and my PTeq Upright.
Strings are PLAY Hollywood Strings plus LASS.
I use Kontakt Session Pro, CHein Pro, BBB, Screaming Trumpet and Straight Ahead Jazz fr my Horn Sections.

None of these instruments have any balls until you double up.

Once you get on stage with real drums mic’d, SVT and Marshall Stacks, you sink or swim.
If you cant hear the difference you should look into another line of work.

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