ULLI setting

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Tue Oct 30, 2001 7:52 pm

Hi Pulzarianz !

Does anybody tried to change their ULLI setting since the new v3 software?

Is it me? Or what! Usualy, was working with ULLI@7ms, when using small track count (6-12), and 13ms when higher track count (more than 12).

Now, just for the fun, i tried to lower ULLI at 4ms (at 44.1khz), and everything was perfect!, i decided to push my luck, and tried at 3ms (lowest ULLI possible at 44.1khz), and to my delight, it work perfectly! I worked all night with this setting, using 2 synth (SubDub+BlueSynth) + the STS3000 with all 8 output + L&R used, the pulsar mixer, Logic looping on section of my new song, and it worked perfectly for all night! Not a glitch, nor any pops! Is it normal? He He!! It's great!

Try it, and tell me your results! In fact, it's working so perfectly, that while writing this message, Logic is looping on a 45 bar song including 8 audio track recorded earlier + 2 synth + STS with ALL output used.

Great Great Great!!! I'm so glad i buyed a creamware back then! Now it working like i was expecting! coOl!

Stubbe · Post by **Stubbe** » Wed Oct 31, 2001 10:47 am

Yes, got similar positive results.
Did a clean install of W98, threw ver. 3.0 in there along with Logic Gold 4.7.2 (since updated to 4.8.1), and decided to push the ULLI-throttle a bit. Went to 4ms, and Logic told me to use max 24 tracks.
Well, I decided to try that in practice, and soon after was recording 12 tracks in one go while I was playing back 12 !!!

It was not good music by any standard, but it was fun anyway

After that I've had to postpone experiments with ULLI @3ms, but it's coming up!

Mind you, I have a not very up-to-date PC, with which I could only run well @ 13 ms or higer in 2.x, depending on load.

I am very happy about version 3 in general.

Anybody else ?

Cheers
Stubbe

subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Wed Oct 31, 2001 11:00 am

4ms is no problem under ME and XP so far on both machines, P4 1.8 and TigerMP 1600MPs...

Will test lower latencies maybe tonight

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Wed Oct 31, 2001 11:10 am

I'm not at home right now so I can't really check what I can do... just out of curiosity, can you tell us your machine specs?
I usually run in 13ms and never thought of it as a problem... untill I did some loopback recordings. And I was pretty upset.
But theoretically, unless you have 0ms, any kind of loopback recording is going to have some sort of delay or phasing problems... or is it possible?
Of course, it's as simple as nudging the recorded material a little to compensate for the delay.. Not much of a problem I guess.
I can't wait to try out the new settings though. Cool info. Also, make sure you let us hear your new song Marcus!

dbmac · Post by **dbmac** » Wed Oct 31, 2001 12:28 pm

Stubbe - are you recording at 24 bit or 16 - when you say:
"Went to 4ms........and soon after was recording 12 tracks in one go while I was playing back 12 !!!"

I'm asking cause I can't get any reliable playback (no pop/crackle) under 25ms with 24 bit recording on 12 channels. If I switch the ASIO24 mdl for ASIO16 I can get ULLI down to 7ms. I wonder if this is a limitation of my system or CW's ASIO drivers?

Win98se, P3-850, CUBXe, 640m RAM, P1+, P2SRB Deskstar on ATA100, VST32 v5r7PB5, Pulsar 3.0

/dave

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subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Wed Oct 31, 2001 12:34 pm

Hey Dave, check your CSET.INI - what board do you have set as Board0? I would think using the SRB as Board0 might help your ULLI... but maybe you already know this. BTW I used 16bit, I will test with 24bit too, then.

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Wed Oct 31, 2001 5:58 pm

On 2001-10-31 11:10, kensuguro wrote:
just out of curiosity, can you tell us your machine specs?

Sure, it the same machine as most of us, Asus CUSL2-C, P3-1ghz, 512ram CAS2,
IBM 45gigs ATA100 IDE
SCSI AHA-2940U2W with IBM 4.5gig 10,000RPM (for my EMU EOS banks) + SCSI-DVD + SCSI Plextor 32x CDROM + SCSI Plextor 12x CDRW
and 2 network adapter (my machine is also the internet connection sharing with 2 others machine my girlfriend has...).

On 2001-10-31 11:10, kensuguro wrote:
Also, make sure you let us hear your new song Marcus!

Don't worry, the minute you ear some stranges noises, it's probably me !!

C Ya!
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[ This Message was edited by: marcuspocus on 2001-10-31 18:01 ]

Stubbe · Post by **Stubbe** » Thu Nov 01, 2001 12:30 am

On 2001-10-31 12:28, dbmac wrote:
Stubbe - are you recording at 24 bit or 16

Well, I'm a modest man

so I'm goin' 16 bit all the way.

My setup in details : ABIT BE6-II, PIII 650 MHz, 384MB PC100 RAM, ATA 66 disk, and a clean install of W98SE

, tho I'm not sure exactly which tips and tricks I've carried out.

Cheers
Stubbe

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subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Thu Nov 01, 2001 10:02 am

Did you guys running XP notice that with Pulsar+SCOPE V3, you can change ULLI settings without restarting Pulsar? It just pops up a box asking "Make this change immediately?" and you press yes. So coooool!!

I am now running at 1ms @96khz latency (3ms@44.1khz). I will stress the system more to see if I can keep this as my default setting tonight. 4ms@44.1khz seems to be no problem, in any case.

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marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Fri Nov 02, 2001 4:17 am

Yeah, this is pretty cool for testing. For 96khz, it taking too much DSPs that i need for other things.

For 1 Prisma, 1STS and 1 MasterVerb for examples!

Need MORE, always MORE and MORE !

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Mon Nov 05, 2001 10:13 pm

On 2001-11-01 10:02, subhuman wrote:
Did you guys running XP notice that with Pulsar+SCOPE V3, you can change ULLI settings without restarting Pulsar? It just pops up a box asking "Make this change immediately?" and you press yes. So coooool!!
...

Same for Win2k. Too bad, I have 2 Pulsar1's which doesn't support ULLI. Need to get 2nd generation card one of these.

LHong · Post by **LHong** » Tue Nov 06, 2001 8:34 am

The 24/96 doesn't work properly, no matter how many DSPs, we had 30~36 DSPs, couldn't get the 96's functionality on the simple SP-mixer.

On 2001-11-02 04:17, marcuspocus wrote:
Yeah, this is pretty cool for testing. For 96khz, it taking too much DSPs that i need for other things.

For 1 Prisma, 1STS and 1 MasterVerb for examples!

Need MORE, always MORE and MORE !

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Tue Nov 06, 2001 3:25 pm

On 2001-11-06 08:34, LHong wrote:
The 24/96 doesn't work properly, no matter how many DSPs, we had 30~36 DSPs, couldn't get the 96's functionality on the simple SP-mixer.

A simple stereo channel ASIO2 or wav 24/96 could not be too hard, can even be done on a Pulsar1 not under Win2k. If you cannot load that, it's a driver/soundcard issue, it's got nothing to do with slow pci.
If you start using 24 stereo tracks 24/96, you'll need some PCI bandwidth.

Leida · Post by **Leida** » Fri Nov 09, 2001 1:30 am

Hello !

i saw all your posts and i'm not so glad !
in fact, when i try to get lower than 13ms at 44khz, i can hear cracks sometimes when i play in Reason (via the asio scope) or with the Pro52 (also with the asio drivers).
I'm in w98 , maybe move to w2000 could help me ?
must i try something in the luna parameters ?
All the advices are welcome !!!!
Eric
http://reason.fan.free.fr