Stereo modules
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Stereo modules
I've noticed there are a lack of stereo modules in Modular. Are there any around I don't know of? I'm looking especially for effects based like filters.
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Is their a problem using 2 of the modules you desire?
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Re: Stereo modules
Most "Modular" modules in analog land are mono, not stereo. You can easily use Sharc's BCM modules, since they typically don't have knobs, but control signal inputs instead. So you can use two modules of what you need, then add a third module that is a control knob (or control surface!) and use that 1 signal to control both L/R modules.
Using Sharc's "CLM" modules, you can create sub-modular projects...create mono version with external control, then just place two of those submodules (or 5 for surround)....
Using Sharc's "CLM" modules, you can create sub-modular projects...create mono version with external control, then just place two of those submodules (or 5 for surround)....
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Re: Stereo modules
Thanks jk Could you help me setup to BC2000 to control using Sharc's modules. I can load two delay devices and assign the same Midi controller number to the pots in each device I need to control, but is there a better way around it?jksuperstar wrote:Most "Modular" modules in analog land are mono, not stereo. You can easily use Sharc's BCM modules, since they typically don't have knobs, but control signal inputs instead. So you can use two modules of what you need, then add a third module that is a control knob (or control surface!) and use that 1 signal to control both L/R modules.
Using Sharc's "CLM" modules, you can create sub-modular projects...create mono version with external control, then just place two of those submodules (or 5 for surround)....
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Re: Stereo modules
If you have a BCR/F2000, you can place the BC modules for that controller. Then connect any knob/slider/button control output (instead of MIDI mapped through SCOPE) to the control inputs of the stereo pair of modules you want...this works best if you use the BCM version of those modules...Sharc's modules tend to have Control inputs instead of knobs on the front panel, so they are easier to control from external signals.
Using this method, Sharc has also provided control signal filter modules, which take that signal out of the Control Module and smooths it out for your particular application (so you can make it more smooth, but has more lag, or less smoothing, but faster response). This is very nice to remove any zippering you would get on a delay or a filter cutoff, for example.
Eventually, you can learn to use the CLM sub-project modules, and then use pipes to connect the control signals to each sub-modular project. It keeps the patch clean, and the CLM modules can even be used to load different patches...meaning you have a CLM placeholder, and you can load in different types of delay effects you've developed.
Using this method, Sharc has also provided control signal filter modules, which take that signal out of the Control Module and smooths it out for your particular application (so you can make it more smooth, but has more lag, or less smoothing, but faster response). This is very nice to remove any zippering you would get on a delay or a filter cutoff, for example.
Eventually, you can learn to use the CLM sub-project modules, and then use pipes to connect the control signals to each sub-modular project. It keeps the patch clean, and the CLM modules can even be used to load different patches...meaning you have a CLM placeholder, and you can load in different types of delay effects you've developed.
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"but is there a better way around it"
use the sdk.
Musicmanic. In your first question you mentioned filter effects. For filter effects add 2 filters and instead of using the cutoff knobs, use a control val module and connect it to the flters modulation inputs. For standard delay effect there is the tempo stereo delay.
For other delay based modulation effects like flangers etc, use a stereo insert and load a stereo flanger from the list.
If you have a bcr or like the bc modular follow jk's suggestion.
If you want more control use the sdk.
use the sdk.
Musicmanic. In your first question you mentioned filter effects. For filter effects add 2 filters and instead of using the cutoff knobs, use a control val module and connect it to the flters modulation inputs. For standard delay effect there is the tempo stereo delay.
For other delay based modulation effects like flangers etc, use a stereo insert and load a stereo flanger from the list.
If you have a bcr or like the bc modular follow jk's suggestion.
If you want more control use the sdk.
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It's also worth remembering the control sockets in BC Modular handle both input and output, so you can make a connection between them on two (or more) modules for a master <-> slave control relationship.
This way for a stereo pair you usually only need the two modules as you can assign MIDI CCs to the sliders on the BC popup panel.
This way for a stereo pair you usually only need the two modules as you can assign MIDI CCs to the sliders on the BC popup panel.
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...I'd recommend placing all modules for your stereo signal path within one (or more if required) 1DSP CLM modules.
These will force those modules to load on the same DSP and avoid any unwanted phase issues
These will force those modules to load on the same DSP and avoid any unwanted phase issues
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On the other hand, it's a bit a pity to not have stereo CLM module...
It would be convenient is n't it ?
It would be convenient is n't it ?
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Re: Stereo modules
Sharc, I'm reading through the BCModular Wiki site but could you give a simpler rundown to how things work? Basically I want to use two mono modular device, e.g. A filter that has low pass and high pass and have the knobs controlled by one incoming midi command, say from the BC2000.sharc wrote:...I'd recommend placing all modules for your stereo signal path within one (or more if required) 1DSP CLM modules.
These will force those modules to load on the same DSP and avoid any unwanted phase issues
How do your modules connect to outside world hardware?
Sorry I'm new to modular stuff. What do you use async and sync stuff for, and what are the pipelines?
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Re: Stereo modules
as the sync inputs are audio inputs you can use them for stereo and how i use the clm shells as stereo effects
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sync is used for audio
async are used for less intensive control signals that dont require audio rate timing
pipes are async controls that allow 8 async signals down one pipe
any frequency dependent controls need to be sync
async are used for less intensive control signals that dont require audio rate timing
pipes are async controls that allow 8 async signals down one pipe
any frequency dependent controls need to be sync
Re: Stereo modules
Hi Music Manic,
Did you go through the tutorial series here? http://bcmodular.wikispaces.com/Idiot%2 ... e+-+Part+1
If you follow those steps, you'll be set up for controlling from the BCR2000. It includes a demo patch and sysex files for setting up the BCR2000 with matching MIDI CC values.
If you want to control two settings at once, it's as simple as putting a patch cable between the two settings and then patching one of them into the relevant BCM module.
Feel free to get in touch directly with me or sharc if you need more assistance!
Thanks,
Will
P.S. The public launch of the new ScopeSync is just around the corner, which will make some of this even easier
Did you go through the tutorial series here? http://bcmodular.wikispaces.com/Idiot%2 ... e+-+Part+1
If you follow those steps, you'll be set up for controlling from the BCR2000. It includes a demo patch and sysex files for setting up the BCR2000 with matching MIDI CC values.
If you want to control two settings at once, it's as simple as putting a patch cable between the two settings and then patching one of them into the relevant BCM module.
Feel free to get in touch directly with me or sharc if you need more assistance!
Thanks,
Will
P.S. The public launch of the new ScopeSync is just around the corner, which will make some of this even easier
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This page is worth a read, to understand the various connection types: http://bcmodular.wikispaces.com/Connections
Re: Stereo modules
Yeah ! Excellent ! I've got my answer !jhulk wrote:as the sync inputs are audio inputs you can use them for stereo and how i use the clm shells as stereo effects
Thanks, jhulk..