Dedicated Mixing Desk to control STM 4896

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Dedicated Mixing Desk to control STM 4896

Post by android » Thu May 01, 2008 2:51 pm

Hello People. This is sort of OT but anyways.

I am on my way to build a MIDI-Controller (non-commercial) dedicated to the STM mixers I use. Images can be found here:

http://www.schlemmer.gmxhome.de ->Galery

The Mixers are underestimated IMHO. STM 4896 can do pretty much everything a professional desk like Sony DMXR100 can do and some more.

Right now I have two meters of Faders (64 peaces at a spacing of 2.98 cm) in front of me and it is fun working with it. One of the reasons is the useful lookup table implemented for the limited 7bit resolution. However, support for MIDI CC is limited to 128 at the moment. (only 1 MIDI channel).

/* SC developers: you can fix this in 5 Minutes ?! */

Future plans include changing to more powerful PIC (eg. ATMEL) with USB interface, OSC replacing MIDI, 10bit resolution or better and of course: long (motor-)faders.

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Post by dawman » Sat May 17, 2008 8:41 pm

Nice pics and a fascinating idea of using analog to control digital.

Jim Gamble from Lake Tahoe does the exact oppisite of you, and has some great digitally controlled analog recorders.

Lot's of great ideas going on here lately, and yours is outstanding. :wink:

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Post by garyb » Sun May 18, 2008 12:43 am

cool!

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Re: Dedicated Mixing Desk to control STM 4896

Post by at0m » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:15 am

android,

One way I previously used to control such big devices, is this: When going to another 'page' of the mixer, using external MIDI remote, also load a new MIDI preset. So you could make for example 4 MIDI remote presets for the STM4896, each controlling one page. That way, you can use 4x 120CC or so for one device.

It's a bit of a dirty hack, making it difficult to record inside a sequencer remote control signals for channels on different pages simultaneously. But for controlling the mixer purely from a remote console like a Peavey PC1600x with only 16 faders and 16 buttons, it works ok.
For example, my SX remote presets have fader 16 on each Peavey preset sending a 'panel selection', setting up SX to listen for the same CC but on a different selection of the VST/MIDI mixer, ie ch1-12,13-24, ... allowing my presets to control 128 audio and 128 MID channels with just 2 Pc1600x presets. One other preset allows for control of all VST plugins, on a per-channel basis, as fader 16 controls the channel from which it would control the plugins.

I hope this opens a new perspective on this matter, so you can achieve what you need without having to pull S|C's developers for device adjustment. I do realise, this technique is not adequate for a 48 channel remote console, but it works great for 8-16 fader remotes.

Handwriting these presets for Peavey's PC1600x to make it the most extensive control surface available for SX took me about 2 months, hectoliters of coffee and truckloads of THC. More on my Pc1600x presets here.

Courage on your project!
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Re: Dedicated Mixing Desk to control STM 4896

Post by pollux » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:27 am

Did you try Wolf's mixer? It has great midi capabilities (multichannel) and it's designed from ground up to work with control surfaces (it even gives feedback for motorfaders, display and leds). The downside is that it's "only" 32 channel mixer...

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Re: Dedicated Mixing Desk to control STM 4896

Post by christsuch » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:21 am

Hallo.

Where can i find "Wolf's mixer"?

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Post by at0m » Mon May 04, 2009 10:51 pm

christsuch wrote:Hallo.

Where can i find "Wolf's mixer"?

Here :) It has different MIDI channels per group of tracks, so more MIDI CC can be used to control the mixer.
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Re: Dedicated Mixing Desk to control STM 4896

Post by netguyjoel » Tue May 05, 2009 1:58 pm

I'm looking for a commercial hardware controller too. Tascam discontinued the US-2400. I would need 2. Is there anything affordable, out there. Euphonix..too expensive...so is Mackie. What kind of commercial DAW controllers can you guys recommend for this mammoth Sonic Core Mixer? BTW...I think you have a great start on your Dedicated Mixing Desk!
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Re: Dedicated Mixing Desk to control STM 4896

Post by astroman » Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:09 pm

Joel there seems a ton of Mackie stuff on sellout.
Not sure what's behind this (and if you can really get it at all), but some shops advertise the Control C4 Pro for 400 Euro instead of 1300.
I ordered one when I noticed it supports the TX802 sys-ex stuff preprogrammed, but withdraw the order when delivery was delayed with unspecific date.
Maybe the Box with faders has a similiar pricedrop (in some places).

cheers, Tom

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Post by JoPo » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:18 pm

... Impossible to see the pictures ! I just see the word 'pic' without a link... I tried with IE and firefox.
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- Musica --> here ! ---< < < < < < < < < < < <

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Re: Dedicated Mixing Desk to control STM 4896

Post by HUROLURA » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:39 am

I would be really interested to hear about the developpement stage of this personnal DIY project as I am waiting for my own midibox hardware kit ...

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