Mics for punchy bass rig in live app

[dawman]

I was wondering if a gated mic like the D112 would be good for mic'ing those punchy bass sounds on a bass rig. this is for live work, but I can see that a 57 or 58 general purpose mic might not be a good choice, and direct outs would lose the great thump coming from the dual 15's.

[astroman]

you might want to try the SPL Transient Designer in the direct out path, or even split the latter and have 2 instances of the device operating at different points of the curve - deliberately displace the 2 channels intentionally introducing phase errors by sample delays.
Whichever way you choose, the 'slim' and straightforward or the strange and artificial - I'm almost certain there is NO variation of bass that this thing cannot handle

cheers, Tom

[digitalaudiosoft]

I was wondering if a gated mic like the D112 would be good for mic'ing those punchy bass sounds on a bass rig. this is for live work, but I can see that a 57 or 58 general purpose mic might not be a good choice, and direct outs would lose the great thump coming from the dual 15's.

hi jimmy,

the best mic for bass,kick..is the "re20" from electrovoice.d112 is "only" good

eric

[ChrisWerner]

Hm, I would use a direct out and sculpt it in scope, too.

Anyway, for close micing, I would give the BD mic Sennheiser E602 for the lows in combination with a tom mic MD 421 a try. Both on the same spot.

On those 15" start the phasing from the border of the speaker.
The more you move outward from the calotte the sound gets deeper.

[digitalaudiosoft]

Hm, I would use a direct out and sculpt it in scope, too.

Anyway, for close micing, I would give the BD mic Sennheiser E602 for the lows in combination with a tom mic MD 421 a try. Both on the same spot.

On those 15" start the phasing from the border of the speaker.
The more you move outward from the calotte the sound gets deeper.

that's true ...when you don't have money,d112 or e602 are good choice.
but,why trying to scult a e602 or d112 "low " sound instead of making a good sound with a re20 at the beginning...it's not my logic...( a sound engineer logic...)
it's easier to make a bad sound with a good one instead of trying to make a good with a bad

eric

[garyb]

the d112 could be used for bass guitar, but for punchy sounds i'd go direct. a mic will be less punchy, more warm and woofy. the punch comes from transients that a mic will have a hard time reproducing, especially a bass heavy large diaphram mic like the d112. an sm57 would be punchier, but lacking in lows and low mids..

[digitalaudiosoft]

what i do on recording studio : 1 direct and 1 mic with no eq and no comp.
what i do on live : only 1 direct.
and what is jimmy's question : "is d112 a good mic for punchy bass ?" i say no ...re20 is better for punchy and sub bass but it cost 4X more...have you try and compare those mic ?

bye all,

eric

[garyb]

sure an re20 would be better, as would a d12e or one of the new heil "re20 killers"(a cheaper but worthy alternative to the re20). http://www.heilsound.com/pro/products/pr40/index.htm

but as eric said, go direct..

[wayne]

Another bassplayer's vote for direct here

[dawman]

Direct seems easier. But the sound of the SRW's is so much different than the DI'd sound. It reminds me of micing Leslies back in the day. The important mic was the one used on the Gauss 15' which shot downward into the wooden baffle. Now I have DI's on my rotary cabinets which are 3 small mics on the horn frequencies, as the low end is reproduced electronically. Thanks 4 your input and replies.

[paulrmartin]

I don't know tha D112 but I surely would never use the SM 57 or 58 for bass purposes. I don't believe they have the bass response needed anyways. I always used the SM58 on my voice because of its anti-feedback properties.

[dawman]

Yeah I Hear Ya',
The 57's are just all around good mics, but this bass cabinet thing will require something special as I truly believe that what Chris Werner was saying about placement is correct, and these cabinets are tuned and resonate so sweetly that I will just go to a specialist here in town and experiment with many. He has the largest collection of vintage and new mic's I ever saw. I will let you guys know what I decide in a couple of weeks.
I've spoken to him and he suggested a mic with a controllable gate, and no colorisation. Whatever that would be, it sounds expensive, but I only care about the results.

[digitalaudiosoft]

Direct seems easier. But the sound of the SRW's is so much different than the DI'd sound. It reminds me of micing Leslies back in the day. The important mic was the one used on the Gauss 15' which shot downward into the wooden baffle. Now I have DI's on my rotary cabinets which are 3 small mics on the horn frequencies, as the low end is reproduced electronically. Thanks 4 your input and replies.

hi,

jimmy are you talking about a SWR instead of SRW ? i have one with 2X12 and 1X15.when i say "DI" it's not only a smal box named DI,on this bass amplifier you have a preamp out ,try it ,you will be surprised.it's not the same as a bass directly in a DI.
the E602,will be certainly a good choice...good luck to your sound engineer .
if you want to ear my jazzbass 1966 on my cd brother (one of richard bona's drummer),i have taken the sound by this preamp out.

http://home.tele2.fr/stephanvera/

listen the first title.

bye,

eric

[garyb]

gating a bass mic is probably a bad idea.

[garyb]

gating a bass mic is probably a bad idea.

btw- i wasn't actually suggesting you use a 57, just saying that it'd be punchier than the d112.

[katano]

i use this one for bass guitar, means direct, no mic, fantastic sound:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/tech_21_sansam ... preamp.htm

and if you're looking for some presets for live use, take a look at this:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/tech_21_progr_ ... ver_di.htm


greez
roman

[dawman]

Brotha' Man Digitalaudiosoft,
He doesn't use the SWR head, but rather a Crest Audio head, which I believe has a Pre Amp out. I shall give it a listen. BTW cute little site you have therte, and the bass sounds like a FAT BASTARD.

Brotha' Man Katano,
I have heard that the Tech 21 was good. Thanks 4 remonding me as this is to be investigated thoroughly.


Strength Through Superior DSP's,

[Gordon Gekko]

http://www.edpettersen.com/edpettersen/Coileq.html

I'll order one of these this week and post a review when I get it. Seems to be a promising unit

edit: arf, I just bought the last unit that'll ever be built but http://www.valvotronics.com is coming up with an enhanced rack mounted version next year, so keep looking it up

sorry