about these fat besses - in Trance style

arish · Post by **arish** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:42 am

Hi
i know i saw this tread some time ago here some where.
i need to ask this question.
How do you get these fat low and yet loud basses?
in the Trance style.
i have try every thing before asking this question.
please help is needed.
arish.

arish

Post by **hubird** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:31 pm

onother accent:
give de kick a peak at 80 Hz, and let the bass play the main roll in the 40-65 Hz area.
You also can think of extra push by inserting an anhancer (more dynamic push) or even Transient Designer (more attack or even also sustain).
Velocity can controll the cut-off filter, reduce it a bit when kick notes are in sinc

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steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:23 am

Or simply do the old layering thingy. One bass for the higher freq of the bass, and another for the low freq of the bass, and leave the kick in the middle.
You can do several other variations of this technique tho, its all up to your imagination i spose.

arish · Post by **arish** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:17 am

Thank you all, some usefull tips.

I use TauProVSTI,use a multiband compresor and EQ,than after i record it(from pulsar to cubase)i normalize it and compress it again.
i tried many combition and it always sound mudy and dull.
why on comercial tracks the basses sounds loud, clean and big ?

on wich octave do you do your Bassline?
maybe some body can upload a midi file or PNG file with an example, will be very greatfull.

anybody have or read the WAVES- THE TRANCE EXPIRIENCE? thinking of buying it,is it good for learning?

thanks again.
Arish

wayne · Post by **wayne** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:35 am

Do you have Minimax, arish?

arish · Post by **arish** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:47 am

No, wish i had...

arish · Post by **arish** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:55 am

thanks, stardust will try that any suggestion on any better bass syth, pulsar or VSTI?

i think now, that it maybe that its sound muddy and humy.. cos it miss slince spaces between the kik and the bass, that gives the feeling of the groove.

i notice that when i record the kik of the KIKME syth when i zoom on the sample in cubase its not sitts on the first bar, it has small deelay of few milseconds ??
and something similar happend with the TauPro when you zoom on the sample you can see a short nose of signal ??

what do i need to do to make these spaces be there and mark well the kik and bass from each other?
maybe somebody can say something on sidechainer compressor? i never use it and i heard that it does the job.

thanks on any tips

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:34 am

this might be obvious but one trick i've learned is to always take a little time to tune the drums (real or not) to the tune you are working on. This sometimes adds a lot of punch and definition

Post by **hubird** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:31 pm

indeed!

Btw, I always correct bounced files for the right start timing.
I have a standard 60 ms delay on bounced tracks (via SFP that is).

arish · Post by **arish** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:52 am

does this problem of deelay from MIDI to audio (cubase) can be fixed?

Post by **hubird** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:59 am

as far as I know, no.
It's latency, recording a source-midi file via ASO (sequencer--SFP--sequencer) gives some latency, you can't change that, at least not in my old Cubase 5.
(there is no problem when playing audio and midi, Cubase cares for the delays in timing, but you know that).

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pollux · Post by **pollux** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:28 pm

On 2006-09-23 10:42, arish wrote:
Hi
i know i saw this tread some time ago here some where.
i need to ask this question.
How do you get these fat low and yet loud basses?
in the Trance style.
i have try every thing before asking this question.
please help is needed.
arish.

arish

Try the three-o-three synth.. that's phat

The SB-404 is not bad either...
(rebirth could also do the trick, which is freeware now... but this is not scope

)

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:51 pm

Pro-12.

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:30 pm

i notice that when i record the kik of the KIKME syth when i zoom on the sample in cubase its not sitts on the first bar, it has small deelay of few milseconds ??
and something similar happend with the TauPro when you zoom on the sample you can see a short nose of signal ??

sadly, midi isn't always as tight, timing-wise as we would like in these modern days. Small delays can and will happen. You can compensate somewhat by setting a positive delay in the track inspector for the midi track that is late. (in Cubase SX, there's a little clock icon underneath the panning and volume sliders). This sets the midi on this track to play ever so slightly early, so it hopefully cancels out the delay.

For drums, for example the kickme kick you want to use, I would advise sampling it, and then playing it from a VST software sampler (I use Native Instruments Battery). This should give you much tighter timing (since VSTi's are supposed to be sample accurate)

faxinadu · Post by **faxinadu** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 7:38 am

arish wrote:Thank you all, some usefull tips.

I use TauProVSTI,use a multiband compresor and EQ,than after i record it(from pulsar to cubase)i normalize it and compress it again.
i tried many combition and it always sound mudy and dull.
why on comercial tracks the basses sounds loud, clean and big ?

on wich octave do you do your Bassline?
maybe some body can upload a midi file or PNG file with an example, will be very greatfull.

anybody have or read the WAVES- THE TRANCE EXPIRIENCE? thinking of buying it,is it good for learning?

thanks again.
Arish

tau is good for trance bass.
imo u dont even need compression, defo not normalisation....
just play with the synth until it sounds right, and get a kick that matches well with it.

steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:35 am

Why do u recomend VSTi's when there is SCOPE synths?

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:48 am

... I would advise sampling it, and then playing it from a VST software sampler (I use Native Instruments Battery). This should give you much tighter timing (since VSTi's are supposed to be sample accurate) ...

because midi timing (across applications) isn't as tight as one would expect it to be, KoS assumes the timing is more precise in one single application, the sequencer. The 'sound' origin is a Scope synth anyway...

cheers, Tom

faxinadu · Post by **faxinadu** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:38 am

i use the following synths for basslines in psytrance style:

Logic esM - Fat and rich bass

Logic es1 - Skinnier than esM, more flavor somtimes. Good analog feel.

Fruity Loops 3osc - using just 1 saw osc, tight envelops, groovy clicky bassline sound, not so fat though.

Tau1 - fat and rich, better sound for basses i am after than the tau2 or pro.

if you are after rolling basslines these do the trick and then some.

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 3:09 pm

it always sound mudy and dull.

my recommendation is simple..

If you think your bass is muddy and dull, don`t use VSTis. Few are able to produce a powerful bass for that music style. Take a higher class CW emulation or use a true analog.

The filters grab better into the sound and the final result won`t be dull nor without pressure.