STM 2448/Mixers sounds dull...

[fra77x2]

Look my friend, a frequency damping of the mixer is not a minor issue.

[thomson]

You can only foοl amateurs.

So it took you 12 years to find out, i see you are a member here from 2004?

I bet your mix sounds better through a "dull" mixer and best when not heard at all

I think you have bad ears and a really bad day ...yeah ?
I ask again....whats your problem? Geht amphion oder something like that and you hear it...perhaps

P.s: i use creamware cards since the beginning. A friend of me has worked there
And now get lost

[fra77x2]

You are the man with the problem, i am the one with the bad day?

I hope you solve your problems gradually before reaching 100 years old...

[ARCADIOS]

It is not only 0.2 db difference.....the STM2448 wavs of Thomson are not the same..... looks like "with STM2448wav" has a phase cancelation noticeable clearly at the synth before the beat starts...............



STM mixers manual says:
"""Note that precise phase alignment is often achievable without explicitly activating phase compensation, since channels are inherently phase-aligned with one another within specific groups in each mixer. In the STM2448, these groups are: channels 1-3, 4-6, 7-9, 1012, 13-15, 16-18, 19-21 and 22-24. In the STM4896 they are additionally: 25-48."""

Can you please Thomson give a picture of the routing window?

[ARCADIOS]

also putting the wavs into my sequencer... I cut the first seconds before music and raised the volume...
Now that seems a problem!!!!!!!!!!!
Thomson there is much hiss........in withSTM2448 wav....
Something wrong here!!!

Also, Thomson I hear the fade out of a synth at the very beginning of the withSTM2448 wav!!

We will find the problem

[garyb]

look, there's nothing wrong with the STM mixers in this way. there's something wrong with the test.

anyway, it's a non-issue. don't use the mixer if you don't like it.

i think this is silly. the mixer sounds good enough that one of my clients had a top 20 radio-play album last year. whatever hairs are being split have nothing to do with a quality production. i have NEVER had too little high-end from using any of the STM mixers.

[thomson]

Guys... i dont wanna talk anything bad about CW/SC.
My 2 Scope Cards are the heart of my studio since so many years.

Thomas F. showed me the advantage of CW in this time ( take a look at the info in the software

But i updated my channel now...Mytek AD/DC, amphion 18 and so on.

Please take a look at the stm 1632 files....if you hear no difference ...well thats ok.
I hear the difference but i wont throw away my SC Cards

[thomson]

You are the man with the problem, i am the one with the bad day?

I hope you solve your problems gradually before reaching 100 years old...

....grow up.

[fra77x2]

[thomson]

12 years in the dark...

Your ignorance has matured like a nice scotch



Why don't you phone your friend at creamware to complain...

Please grow up

[garyb]

yeah, please we're not in competition. there's no need for call and response.

STM1632?
no, personally, i think the 1632 sounds different than the STM2448 and 4896. i prefer the STM2448 and 4896. definitely, the mixers have a "sound", they're not 100% neutral. this is ok for me. i come from the hardware world where nothing is 100% neutral and we like it that way, unless it sounds bad for what we're doing right now.

[fra77x2]

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[thomson]

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug99/a ... ecrets.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comb_filter

Toy Boy....thanks for all but now its time to go in bed...

[garyb]

guys, i'm going to say this once, but first, thanks for the links, fra77x2.

if you don't like someone or what they write based on internet posts, that is your prerogative. don't allow it to show so clearly in your posts. direct insults will result in a one week time-out ban. i don't care who's right or wrong or who started it. PlanetZ is not for that kind of activity.

if you don't like someone's tone, get over it. not everyone is the same. some are smooth and some are rough. if the information is helpful, great! if it is not, leave it alone.

nobody has to be nice, but at least be civil. the last thing that i want is to be in conflict with anyone here.

please.

[ARCADIOS]

Thomson, check your stm2448 wavs again...I mentioned it before
The "with stm2448" file has a hiss...
You must have forgotten something on the background...
The waveform of the first seconds.."BEFORE MUSIC STARTS"... Has some hiss/distortion that is obvious if you raise the volume or normalize...
But DON'T normalize the whole song...
Cut the 2 first seconds BEFORE music begins and normalize the object without/before music...
Except that there is a hiss and distortion...
You can listen to the forgotten effect you must have left being recorded in the wav...
Check it again please....

[faxinadu]

screenshots as requested here would be great.

[thomson]

Good Morning .
Screenshot with 2448....




http://www.file-upload.net/download-113 ... h.jpg.html

[thomson]

Made an new test...

2448 phasecomp on an everything bypassed...
Normalized in Wavelab ....
Take a look


http://www.file-upload.net/download-113 ... 1.wav.html
http://www.file-upload.net/download-113 ... 2.wav.html

[ARCADIOS]

what about it here?

[Mr Arkadin]

...erm, am I going mad? I can't hear any difference between those two bells wavs. Unless the frequencies your worried about are above 17kHz maybe.