Travel back to creamware.de

[dante]

yeah well, Zims was unheard of and probably didn't even know about Creamware until working for Geoff Downes who demoed the NOAH for CW @ NAMM

I don't know when Hans became 'heard of' , but I do know he was a true lover of SCOPE and had some passion for it and I believe still does. Truthfully 'celebrity endorsements' don't mean much at all to me but Hans's testimonials of SCOPE carries more weight then most other celebrities testimonials of other products since he really used SCOPE from many PCI cards to XITE-1, and he's even had custome SCOPE devices made by John Bowen and has actually invested in the platform. Hans is not some fly-by-night paid advertiser who moves on to the next product once he receives his check. He's been a actual SCOPER for a long time- from PCI Cards to XITE-1. Also Hans actually owns a well maintained Minimoog to do real comparisons with Minimax unlike most critics.

That said, I do believe each individual needs to judge for themselves what is good gear for their music and not use a celebrity endorsement to figure this out.

I would say they are both corner stones of Scope history, and both celebrities. If Geoff Downes demoed NOAH at NAMM he's right there with any other celeb on the platform.

[SilverScoper]

Zimmer's Scope cred is not dedicated - how can it be when he then goes and endorses the only other DSP platform http://www.uaudio.com/blog/hans-zimmer-ua-interview/

Geoff Downes, a keyboard player having promoted the synth side of Scope - well that can't be similarly diluted because, well UAD don't have synths !

Look at the pedigree Downes comes from - a crop of Brit craftsmen such as Trevor Horn and ASIA combined members from Yes and ELP. Way more history there, and you can tell the guy is in love with the platform.

[Sounddesigner]

Oh I never stated or meant to imply Geoff Downes like for SCOPE was insincere or anything, I have no idea. Did'nt know much about him or that he used SCOPE so I have no comment on that. I was just speaking about what I know and have heard of on Hans. Just was saying that Hans doesn't endorse then get a check and leave, and that he has actually used SCOPE for many years in films and even owns a XITE-1 now and has even highly praised SCOPE for many years. He's actually spent money on the platform, highly praised it many times over years, used it for years, had custome devices made, upgraded to XITE-1, etc wich for me carries more weight than most celebrity endorsers because all of what he's done shows some true interest and passion for SCOPE. I've been aware he also endorsed UAD, I know he also uses U-he Zebra, and I'm sure there are other products; i wasn't trying to imply he was dedicated to SCOPE, in fact I'm sure he's not. One can like many tools from many developers.

But truthfully Celebrity endorsements aren't really that big of a deal with me whether from Hans or anyone. I just was saying some endorsements have a little more weight than others with me. But none really mean much to me. But also I surely was not doubting or saying anything bad about Geoff Downes.

[dante]

Just was saying that Hans doesn't endorse then get a check and leave, and that he has actually used SCOPE for many years in films and even owns a XITE-1 now and has even highly praised SCOPE for many years. He's actually spent money on the platform, highly praised it many times over years, used it for years, had custome devices made, upgraded to XITE-1

I can't find much about that googling - other than the small quote on S|C site. So it would have been good to see a spread in some music tech publication as to Hans use of XITE-1 in his studios. I mean, Spitfire project seems to get a lot of publicity, why not XITE ?

If I have missed something like that, pls point me to it,coz would be great for Scoperise if nothing else. All I have been able to manage to do with Hans is to say 3 of us used Scope to enter his competition, and of course Garyb's mention of Gladiator and a one liner 'secret weapon' quote in SOS.

'secret' being the operative word here.

[sunmachine]

...a one liner 'secret weapon' quote in SOS.

Did you see the SOS interview in the October 2002 issue?
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct02/a ... zimmer.asp

(I found a reference to that article here by the way: http://web.archive.org/web/200210240016 ... _09_02.asp)

[garyb]

why?

because that's how Zimmer wants to do it. he has various obligations, but he owes SC nothing since he actually paid money for the XITEs.

[dante]

...a one liner 'secret weapon' quote in SOS.

Did you see the SOS interview in the October 2002 issue?
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct02/a ... zimmer.asp

(I found a reference to that article here by the way: http://web.archive.org/web/200210240016 ... _09_02.asp)

Thanks - missed that one. Theres a bit about him using Scope cards to host Gigasampler, and the Profit5 and Red Dwarf. Not substantial enough for a complete article, but enough maybe to add a new tab to the ol' Gladiator article.

[garyb]

Dante, you're thorough...

[dante]

Yeah, great archive - got the Downes piece happening from it anyway. http://www.hitfoundry.com/issue_25/cw_mast.htm

[Sounddesigner]

...a one liner 'secret weapon' quote in SOS.

Did you see the SOS interview in the October 2002 issue?
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct02/a ... zimmer.asp

(I found a reference to that article here by the way: http://web.archive.org/web/200210240016 ... _09_02.asp)

Thanks - missed that one. Theres a bit about him using Scope cards to host Gigasampler, and the Profit5 and Red Dwarf. Not substantial enough for a complete article, but enough maybe to add a new tab to the ol' Gladiator article.

I know a Native synth developer in recent years stated how much Hans is crazy about SCOPE's Modular (Urs from U-HE), but here's a past quote from Hans on Modular 3 when it was released - http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2002/09/ ... turns-iii/

Addendum: It also states Hans has used Creamware systems for many years at the above link.

Quantum Wave by Zarg started out as a custome device for Hans, and I believe more than just Quantum Wave. here are various links talking about Hans commissioning John Bowen to create Quantum Wave and 'synthesizers' (plural) SCOPE plugins - http://www.zargmusic.com/

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2011/04/ ... is-coming/

PS. You're going to have to put all the bits and pieces together to get the picture. Also I posted a quote on Minimax by Hans on the first page. There is no one interview that goes in depth and comprehensive on his use of SCOPE. I don't think he was paid to advertise for SCOPE just random compliments come forth over the years and 'hear-say' from some relatively trustworthy sources like Urs.

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[dante]

Yeah I'll piece the bits together even if it only ends up to be some sort of list, but I'll try making it more story like.

Thanks all.

[Sounddesigner]

Yeah I'll piece the bits together even if it only ends up to be some sort of list, but I'll try making it more story like.
Thanks all.

Just keep in mind the quote on S|C's website is current since Hans mentions XITE-1 , thus it shows he's upgraded and a even longer usage of SCOPE. There is still high praise for SCOPE in current XITE-1 quote just like his older quotes when he used PCI cards.

[dante]

Does something like this work ?

http://www.hitfoundry.com/issue_26/zimmer.htm

[sunmachine]

Here's an interesting read about the history of John Bowen's personal Scope story, starting with the creation of the first Modular version back in August 1998:
http://www.johnbowen.com/john-bowen-chronicles.html




In part five about the Red Dwarf he was introduced to Hans Z.:
http://www.johnbowen.com/john-bowen-chr ... part5.html

Hopefully he will continue writing his chronicles!

[Sounddesigner]

Does something like this work ?

http://www.hitfoundry.com/issue_26/zimmer.htm

The first paragraph was the perfect start, and the whole article was more informative than I thought you'd get it. All and all it should work if you decide to not further edit it. You're able to get the job done with all the gathered bits and pieces and they cover Hans's SCOPE journey and passion well, that's what matters. Might want to get more opinions on it than just mines.

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[dante]

Well, I'll do the normal proofread of punctuation etc etc.

Other than that, other input welcome.

I suppose to me the real standout aspect of the Zimmer story is his multi Scope workstation / Gigasampler adventure.

Because I've been doing similar since the 90's, starting with building orchestral polyphony by syncing romplers with 8 track.

Nowadays you can do all in one box, but back then... it was an adventure rather than a given.

[sunmachine]

Only slightly related, but maybe interesting anyway...

According to an interview with Hans Zimmer in the 2005 May issue of the german computer music magazine Keys, he teamed up with the german development company Wizoo (based in Bremen) to create a new luxurious orchestral sample system (hardware and software), primarily for his personal use. Wizoo absorbed the core development team of Creamware in 2004 and that was apparently a main reason for Zimmer to put his cash into Wizoo.

Here's a translation of the relevant part of the interview:
Keys: Why did you choose Wizoo as partner for this project?
Zimmer: Peter, Manfred and I are in tune with each other and the management of our undertakings is in good hands there. The combination of the development teams in Bremen and Siegburg is certainly hard to beat.

Keys: So you wholeheartedly trust the Wizoo developers to make this project become reality?
Zimmer: That's an important reason why of all things I invested in Wizoo--I know what this team can do.


Peter Gorges and Manfred Rürup where the owners of Wizoo (together with Hans Zimmer) back then.
Wizoo was aquired by Avid/Digidesign a few months later (in August 2005) and became part of the Digidesign Advanced Instruments Research Group (AIR).
That's why the project was also mentioned two years later in the DigiZine magazine: http://akwww2.digidesign.com/digizine/P ... r_2007.pdf

P.S: I did the translation of the interview excerpt, so it might not be 100% correct. So I've also attached the original.

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[sunmachine]

By the way, Mark Wherry, who was also mentioned in the Keys interview, did the SOS interview with Hans Zimmer from 2002 that I posted before... Funny. He obviously joined Hans' team after the fact.
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2012/10/i ... laborator/

He also did a review of the NOAH for SOS:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul03/a ... renoah.asp

[dante]

All interesting. Those Scope like remote screens for NOAH - Id never seen those before - good stuff !

[sunmachine]

I think I've seen this before somewhere, but I'm not sure about it.
Was this some kind of prototype for the Stageframe?

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