Controller for Prophet 5

[ShogunSpy]

Any one used this? I guess it's for the Arturia vsti. its only usb midi ! http://www.modemachinesusa.com/professor-v2/

[jhulk]

i would think its a midi cc controller and sends cc for button switches and nob movements

i would think that you could easily do the learn function on the scope prophet5 synth for each control but it would have been better if they added a keyboard

as you still need a keyboard to play the instrument

could easily do the same with a bcr2000 which will only cost you $100 or less

and with john bowens versions as they are modular you can use sharcs bc modular control rangers and the 14bit cc to control the rangers which would be smooth control of the params

[Marco]

Hallo, i had this Controller for a view days, it comes without any software, not needed. Assigning the many knobs and switches is very easy on scope and e.g. ni instruments. You have enough knobs and switches to controll a lot of Software synths.

But now it comes, you have no midi connector only usb, but the worst is, the Quality is more than evil, feels so cheapy and the knobs feel bad, one of them where defect, and after 3h the whole stupid machine was defective, no midi Output anymore.

you can order one, maybe it will work, but it will always feel extremly cheap. SO for me it was so dissapoining. I SENT THAT SHIT BACK.

[ShogunSpy]

thanks for the feedback anabella. And jhulk BCR is great but I am trying to recreate the Pro 5 in some physical form its easier to program the the BCR which I have..maybe I should just print template cards for the BCR!
this is a better option and very cheap http://youtu.be/0wX7NMls960

[djmicron]

if you only need something for your eyes, then making a cover is a fun solution.
If you wanna do something more professional, you can DIY, both by modding an existing controller such as the BCR and reworking the chassis, or by making a midi controller from scratch, but in the second case, you'll be spending some moneys and some time.
Look here for some interesting example:

http://www.synth-project.de/index.html

he uses mostly the doepfer DIY kits

look here under the DIY section

http://www.doepfer.de/home_e.htm

such as this one

http://www.doepfer.de/ctm.htm

[jhulk]

the doefer kits are good and are very cost effective you can easily create a 128 midi pot controller with 2 64 pot control modules

then theres the midi keyboard control module that has a aftertouch and you can fit a 2-6 octave fatar keyboard also sold by doefer

then theres the wheel and joystick control modules

these systems are perfect for midi and usb but they dont do sysex

the other systems are midibox same again diy solution but does do sysex

i fitted a midi to 16 cv control to my dsm1 for control of the res and the mixers for external audio as the filter chips used are the same as the dss1

and use cv 7 v control the doefer only do 5v cv which is ok for computer controlled systems that use 5v on the dsm1 you cant do self oscillation as the res can only go upto 5v using the doepfer control

im currently working on a 16bit cv adc/dac system

[jksuperstar]

Or an iPad running Lemur or MIDI Control. If you can make the adjustment to touch screens.

[Marco]

I m really astonished by doepfer, but for me the question again: are you a musican or an electronic specialists? I wanna rip a sceleton with my sixstring, using my mesaboogie rectifier killersound recording, adding some evil noises with prowave. Not solving Electronic parts together, is not my style of wasting time, I better drink a beer to waste time, but when I want to make music, i wanna let the speakers get ripped!

[dawman]

I like that explanation...
On the other hand I am putting a Doepfer/Livid DIY together in 2014 to replace
my BCF 2000. I can do just about everything I want with the BCF as it is,
especially using Sharcs incredible way to create and edit Modular patches with.
But I want MIDI, not these wimpy USB controllers that require me to add another
layer of software.
Mine will have 2 1/4" jacks for sustain, and a footswitch, then 2 x continuos
controllers for expression pedals and Breath controllers, and using Livid elements
with their Eurorack, and Doepfers Wheel electronic, I can still go directly to PCI-e
MIDI bypassing the annoying USB stuff.
USB is fine for editing I suppose, but for realtime needs the chances of data
overflow (too many realtime packets) and stuck notes, I prefer the mature
old school, never failed MIDI connection.

http://lividinstruments.com/hardware_elements.php

I'll be using the Dual 80 Eurorack with selected modules, facing me on the music
stand where my BCF 2000 is. This should cover the various needs of a live performer,
and after trying 5 or 6 of these plastic USB controllers, I realized I need something
I can count on...... Voltage.........It never fails me.

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[Marco]

Best solution ever!

hey man, nice studio, john bowens flagship, you are rich man!

[Marco]

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Category/US ... spx?s=O500

I see a lot cheaper and also very good solution, the behringer cmd series. Combinations are very good possible. But they all use the usb port

[dawman]

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Category/US ... spx?s=O500

I see a lot cheaper and also very good solution, the behringer cmd series. Combinations are very good possible. But they all use the usb port

Sorry to hear about that.
Behringer realizes the magic/popularity of indoor performances.
Also why razor thin amp sims are so popular.
Most clients actually see the GUI and believe there's a camera on a real amp somewhere, and can be
remotely controlled by expensive magic, justifying the engineering fees.

Also why I continue telling Developers that glowing Tubes and Tape Reels moving
are essential to conitnue the charade. They'll never notice the sound difference.
Only when someone playing next to a Marshall Stack or SVT tube top and matching cabinet.
But since they'll never see a real stage the Sheep of the world will continue buying
albums with pictures of real people and instruments on the cover, not knowing it was
Slates 20 dollar Led Zeppelin pack, and a GUI from Scamp-litube.
But what about the keyboards, they cant possibly do thoses........??
Of course they can, NI makes every synth in the world, even has one that sounds just
like a Kazoo, but I think that's more of a tradition starting back to NI's Generator
that like our health care web site, cannot be uncoded.

I'm not rich, JBowen and Sonnicore allow me to pose with their gear as long as I steal
good mp3's of analog synths off of the net and claim
I used their stuff.
You'd think they hook a brotha' up though.

[Marco]

I know, the more Money you spend the more of the best you can get.
But is it possible to go the other way, saying, the most for less Money?

I know, this is a philosophic question. NI and Behringer are trying to sell best for less Money.
They say Moog Emulation, but it is only a Label, inside there is a Kazoo, nobody knows, because everybody has no original Moog ever played. Others Label ssl or Manley or whatever.......good Kind of Marketing.

There are a lot of products, much better for much more value and higher Price.

But we are small citzens, small but many ants, less Queens.

Why not? Good tech for all ants, relabeled as worthful, but what is inside? Worthful enough?

It depends on you! A Castle consits of many many small Stones, and at the end it was a Castle.

[garyb]

NI et al is not trying to sell the most for the money. they are trying to get you to spend a little bit over and over. you'd be better spending a lot once...

[borg]

I have lots of excellent to absolutely fantastic records at the other side of the room, I'm practically 100% sure none have anything Scope related on them. Get over it... Sondsources on those records? NI? sure. Max/MSP? loads of it. VSTs? hell yeah!

sorry I know you all mean well, and I love scope just as much as anybody... you know, sometimes...

back OT, these days I love Push for Live, and TouchAble2 to complement. Together with Max4Live, I can integrate scope and hardware quite easily.
Next project will be designing 1:1 control interfaces for my most used scope synths for the TouchAble. Quite easy so far in my first tests...

I'm not a pro musician, but what is it in USB midi you dislike so much?

off to a more sunny place first...
Have a nice NYE!!! I'll be on a mountain near the sea...

[dawman]

Well the latest high mark for live performances is Lady GaGa.
Her producer sits and writes out songs that sound great on a MacBook using Native synths and sampled instruments. They made millions as she would sing and dance to pre recorded audio.

But every new album/CD she releases we see more and more of the Drums and Bass tracks being edited out, more video sync, better choregraphy, and even she is playing a real piano and has good rhythm.

Their engineer even says she got tired of the automations then wanted synth players to do this live, but the Native synths just don't sound the same and cannot be automated in realtime, so they use the instruments like real drums w/ triggers, real Bass, and Guitar/Piano.

She plays her parts well, it sounds nice, and is the perfect example of why we as musicians and producer/song writers need hardware and software. But there's just no replacing realtime parameter modulation.

Rumor has it she will have a Modular Battle Station built to tour with next year and I cannot wait to see her swingin' it while ptaching sounds, etc.
Then many here will understand why you need software and hardware. This one way only philosophy will only get you so far. She knows this and is constantly expanding, I applaud her and hope people hear a real big Modular and this starts a trend.

And as far as USB is concerned I have tried MIDISport 8 x 8, MOTU 128, and USB sucks for realtime. Stuck notes occured 3-4 times a night, no biggie at home, but onstage 80% is considered part time effectiveness. Hardware is 100% so if it costs more, it must be used.

And anyone who uses Modular really needs to get Silentway Suite and see what a soft synth with hardware quality envelopes and portamento sounds like. The LFOs are much better with more control too. We are lucky as Modular is a better choice than Native now, before this, Scope synths were still useful, but Native was doing the same for cheaper. Now Native has lost it's advantages again, thanks to Silent Way Suite.

[jksuperstar]

Next project will be designing 1:1 control interfaces for my most used scope synths for the TouchAble. Quite easy so far in my first tests...

Which do you have? I have a few for Lemur since it can do MIDI and not only wifi, but also have TouchOsc. Do you also have midi presets for them?

[Marco]

I wanna touch a real nipple and knobs. But ok touchosc is interessant but a toy.

[jksuperstar]

I used. To want knobs too. But the touch screen allows me to have more hands on editing for all these scope synths than I have room for!

[Bud Weiser]

I wanna touch a real nipple

YESSSSS !



Bud