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here...
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You will be requested to add more info,

Operating system
ram
CPU

Scope version
Scope hardware type
etc...
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...not to mention which verb .... :)
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Sorry, guys, I have flu...

It is the nice SC plate X with W7 64bit, 8 Go ram , last scope version in xite.
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Welcome to the world of DSP placement on Xite. At least, it looks like you face some of the automatic pattern allocation limit here...

See below:
XITE Structure:

DSP 1 and 2 are for the IO communication, ASIO and Wave are placed here.
Hardware IOs are always on DSP 1.
DSPs 3, 4, 5, 6 are for the communication with the 4 Slots.
Each Slot contains 3 new Sharc DSPs with the power of 6 old sharcs each.
Also every new Sharc DSP has 32 MB RAM.
DSPs 1,2,3,4,5,6 are old Sharcs.

The most important DSPs are 7,8,9,10. They have most communication
channels to the IO DSPs.

The STM 1632 is placed on DSP 18 in the Default-Project.
It should be better DSP 7, 8, 9 or 10.
Same for Micromixer and Dynamic Mixer, the bigger mixers,
have their own placement, which can not be changed.

At the moment the user can not place devices to one slot,
internally it is possible.

The 4 Slots:

Slot 1: 7, 15, 11
Slot 2: 8, 12, 16
Slot 3: 9, 17, 13
Slot 4: 10, 14, 18

The DSP display should have a special view to make this visable.



DSP Placement:

It´s always good to place a device on one new DSP.
If you need e.g. mor voices for Minimax, it´s better
to place it on it´s own Slot and than increase the number of voices.

In //ScopeXITE/Projects/Examplesis the Project synths.pro,
where every synth has it´s own new DSP. In most cases the
distribution you have chosen, we be loaded next time within the Project,
but not always.

Better use only the new DSPs for placement 7 ... 18 and if possible
7, 8, 9, 10. Only for VDAT you need to use the DSP 2.

If you help XITE to spread DSP power equally and mostly seperated
to single DSPs if possible, you will get bet results.



Tip for sampler use:

You need to start Scope in admin mode on Windows Vista or Windows 7.
Also it is better to deactivate Startup.pro in Scope settings or better
delete the entry in registry:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Run

"Scope.exe" or "ScopeXITE.exe".

You can load at least 3 Sampler, but "only" with 32 voices and you
need to place each of them on DSP 7, 8, 9 or 10. Each on a single DSP.

If on Project reload the Sampler has no sound, than type in for the voices "0"
and again the number of voice the sampler had before.

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Sorry... In fact, the question comes from here :
http://xited.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=901
But I couldn't upload the jpg...

The question is : do we have to assign also xite optimized devices to dsp and if the answer is no : are the SC plate / ambiance ... etc reverbs xite optimized ?
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Sorry m8, I didn't check if you posted there before.
That's a good question. How far are you on dsp alloc. currently?
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And also, if the answer is no, there is another question ! One more, damned ! How can we know which device is xite optimized ? :D

With dsp alloc, I fiddle with them to move error message away...

I use a lot FP mixers. The FP 106 X is xite optimized (that's why there is the X, correct ?) I assign it to a dsp but maybe for nothing ..?
I'm swiming in vaguenesses with dsp allocation.
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Most 'native' Scope devices are already optimized in 5.1, so no need to allocate.
So, I presume that if you allocate at all, or over-allocate (whatever that may mean), then the system will misbehave.

It's some of the other 3rd party devices that may or may not 'slot in' right away in Xite.

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Impossible for me to answer your question about Plate X... Apart from mixers, manual alloc. is the only way to go and the way to proceed follows a certain pattern, based on groups of DSPs, like in the quoted mail shown previously.
I'd gladly help, but my board is out for repair now.

C'est pas simple!

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all systems have limitations. there are only so many sat connections available. either you figure out the arrangement that works, or give up something on the device end.

those reverbs have thousands of delay lines.....
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garyb wrote:all systems have limitations. there are only so many sat connections available. either you figure out the arrangement that works, or give up something on the device end.

those reverbs have thousands of delay lines.....

From my experience the SC Plate is the most problematic plugin on XITE-1 and can really mess things up. I usually can't even use it at 96khz. It's more demmanding than all other reverbs as well. That reverb may need to be avoided or given very little use for the sake of getting more out of XITE.
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Get that message all the time...
Using all kinds of devices..
Drives me mad.. "Click cancel to suppress the message", only the supressing part is missing!
Maybe it means suppress your anger.

Just two synths, and the thing breaks down! A voice too much? Message!
I thought I had more dsp power now. But every turn I make, it bites like a mad dog...
Any device that plays waves, wheter it is the STS, or using a module in the modular, or in the Zarg synths that use it, bam blue screen.
"We need to rewrite the system file...", sure... what are you waiting for?

And please, don't come talking about my PSU, of hyperthreading of w.e. because it has nothing to do with it at all, and everything todo with taking too hasty steps in porting the scope software to work on a Xite with little effort as can be. Even in 32 bits this thing is hellish to work with..not to mention the horrible so called 64 bit.

I've used my old scope card for nearly 10 years without problems, and very happy to have used it. Now it's only headaches and irritation with to so powerfull Xite.
Using this power is only for people that can meditate and say "inner, inner peace".

Seems al that is left now is to sell this thing to a sucker that doesn't know all this, because waiting is becoming rediculously long
This thing is totaly useless to me like this.
I wish I'd never sold my old super stable power pulsar! At least I could create songs on this thing..

"all systems have limitations. there are only so many sat connections available".
Yeah, maybe Sonic Core should mention this in the advertisement.

"either you figure out the arrangement that works""
Very funny indeed. There goes the nice user friendly experience of SFP that on the old card did all of this automatially.
Seems Sonic Core forgot to re-implement this feature.. You can't even see on which dsp a device runs when reopeing a project. Very workable indeed.
Now one has to write it down on paper.

Sorry for my blunt but so true venting.. but this is becoming a yoke.
No release plans, no clear information on what is coming when.
Revolution, phua @$%&

Some days ago , I tried to calm down someone to take it easy on the bashing.
I seems I'm doing the same now. How hypocritical of me!
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The error message disapears after assigning the reverb to a dsp then every thing works fine, I can continue to load fx, synth , whatever. I'm not sure to get exactly the same message each time with the reverb ; usually, I don't get any, only when I load one in an allready big project window.

For me, it means that there is benefit to dsp allocate even SC or (?) xite optimized devices. That's why I'd like to be sure that the SC reverb collection is xited. As they have an X in there name (like SC-Plate X), I guess they are...
C'est carrément flou ces histoires de dsp !

Casper -> I'm using those gears for years too and here, my xite is working fine. I'm using a simple Asus P5Q. I must say that I don't use anymore samplers in Scope. Your problem can be only 2 things : your pc or the xite. If you can try your xite with an another PC and check how it works, you will then know if it's your PC or your xite which has a problem. If it works as bad as with your computer, your xite is still under garantee, is n't it ? I don't see how it can works fine here and badly for others.
I agree with you for the SC missing information. But I still believe this system is the best and I love it much more now than in years 2000, at the begining, it worked horrible.

Sounddesigner -> I can't make anymore music without at least one of those reverb, they are from far the best reverbs in all my reverbs (which are unfortunately only software !). When I remember the first Creamware Pulsar reverb (don't remember the name) ! It was awfull !
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well, you should be able to use one for sure.

i'm not sure what the combination is that makes your problem. i know that i can mix with the SC plate.

even with my pci cards, the plate is a trouble maker, although i use it on many, many mixes. i know that when i use it, i'll be limited in what other verbs i can use at the same time.

i'm glad that this isn't a show stopper. it most likely has to do with what order things get loaded to the dsps. anyway, i'm glad you can work.
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Thanks, Garyb & Isistoy...

I remember having been able to load two or three of those reverbs in the same project (by assigning to dsps). I never obtain an as good result with any other reverb.
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I have replaced my SpaceF Mixers and Lexicon PCM Reverbs PCM70/91 to use the STM 2448.
I have it packed with FX and in the window I use 3 x STW effects and they sound better returned to a channel where I can use the Comps and EQ, or additional inserts if I need.
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Not to hi Jack the thread.. But the mono to stereo module.. Is that a part of the 5.1 package
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Hi, Jim..

Did you have to tickle dsps to load those three SC reverb ? Any error message ?
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ehasting wrote:Not to hi Jack the thread.. But the mono to stereo module.. Is that a part of the 5.1 package
Negative, but very useful for external hardware synths that are old and mono, great for adding stereo inouts to the mono input of the B2003 to allow the rotary effect on any sound you wish, many great uses.
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Brotha Man JoPo.

Here's how I do things.
Load the STM2448 blank w/o effect, then store the preset and make sure each channel is void of any effects, even the comps, EQ's and other channel settings.
Take a look at where the DSP is increased.
Now load up the 3 x different STW effects, and watch where they show up on the DSP meter. I try and keep them seperate, but they seem to avoid loading into same area the mixer occupies.
Then I load all other effects I want in the Mixer and store that preset and give it a name.
Now I can load up the Vectron, B2003, etc.
Never see the DSP error, but I do assign any Modular patches to empty DSP's where 3 digits like 300+ are showing. The assignment will be remembered when ever that Modular patch is loaded.
I love the SpaceF mixers but SC never really optimized those mixers and Mehdi did a great job with them, but I have noticed they work much better on the cards.

The STM 2448 works like a champ and has been highly optimized.
The reverbs have 2300-3300 of a DSP which is 40% according to my findings.
They sound so much better throught the channels that I stopped using external hardware. And the DAS AI COmp out performs my SE-C2S, but doesn;t have the ODriven sound I like.
But I re designed a Modular patch from faxinadu to act as an overdrive circuit, it is shown above in the jpeg of the first post I made.
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