Sonic Core ASB production

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:37 pm

I don't know if this is old news, but I remember that Creamware stopped production on the Prodyssey ASB soon after release. Well, it seems that all the ASBs are back in stock in stores (AudioMIDI, Musician's Friend, etc.). Klangbox seems to be special order status, though, they might not be making them right now. Don't know about that...

I hope those ASB puppies are still selling.

Shayne

ulrichte · Post by **ulrichte** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:17 am

I don't think they are back in store. It's old stock I think.
Shops in europe like Thomann and MusicStore sold them out and they are not available any more.

gregae · Post by **gregae** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:20 am

ulrichte wrote:I don't think they are back in store. It's old stock I think.
Shops in europe like Thomann and MusicStore sold them out and they are not available any more.

You may be right, but the InDSP site would seem to indicate that ASB's are being produced:

http://www.indsp.com/

That said, when you click on the ASB link from this page, it takes you to the old CreamWare ASB site:

http://asb.creamware.de/

Not sure what to make of it. Some current info from InDSP would be very helpful here.

cram1960 · Post by **cram1960** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:37 pm

I got one through JRRShop.com (a Pro-12 ASB) a week ago. But they did not have it in stock. It was shipped directly from Creamware, in Germany.

Craig

slammah2012 · Post by **slammah2012** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:20 am

cram1960 wrote:I got one through JRRShop.com (a Pro-12 ASB) a week ago. But they did not have it in stock. It was shipped directly from Creamware, in Germany.

Craig

They are available through Long & McQuades in Canada ....sonicore has an office here in Canada, as well....

gregae · Post by **gregae** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:34 am

slammah2012 wrote: They are available through Long & McQuades in Canada ....sonicore has an office here in Canada, as well....

Since both SonicCore and InDSP show the ASB product on their web sites, it's unclear to me who is actually producing them, if they're being produced at all.

Maybe you could get in touch with SonicCore and ask them.

Post by **hubird** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:24 am

SC and inDSP should clean up their presentation to the public.
A consumer doesn't like vague stuff.
No news, no clarity in who does or owns what, etc.
Bad it is...

pricklyrobot · Post by **pricklyrobot** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:42 am

hubird wrote:SC and inDSP should clean up their presentation to the public.
A consumer doesn't like vague stuff.
No news, no clarity in who does or owns what, etc.
Bad it is...

Not to mention cleaning up the product itself, fixing some of the numerous bugs that keep the ASB boxes from living up to their potential and being fully usable to all the people who've already bought them. Shouldn't that be the priority, rather than cranking out more 90%-functional products and creating even more only partially-satisfied customers?

slammah2012 · Post by **slammah2012** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:00 pm

gregae wrote:
slammah2012 wrote: They are available through Long & McQuades in Canada ....sonicore has an office here in Canada, as well....
Since both SonicCore and InDSP show the ASB product on their web sites, it's unclear to me who is actually producing them, if they're being produced at all.

Maybe you could get in touch with SonicCore and ask them.

Soniccore is the old Creamware develpement team...
They can help you with the ASB....
I know that personally

pricklyrobot · Post by **pricklyrobot** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:54 am

slammah2012 wrote:Soniccore is the old Creamware develpement team...
They can help you with the ASB....
I know that personally

Right, they could help you, if they actually answered answered their support e-mails.

bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:01 am

firstly, remember you should use the new emails (rb@soniccore.com for example).

As for the shop stocks, i just suppose Creamware/inDSP produce according to orders. Thomann like many others might avoid stocks depending on the item. Of course i am not sur of that but i remember that the same happened for the scope boards. When stock was zero, then the product was sent from creamware ; of course it takes more time ...

gregae · Post by **gregae** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:10 am

slammah2012 wrote:Soniccore is the old Creamware develpement team...
They can help you with the ASB....
I know that personally

Good information, but I think we'd all like to know if ASB production will continue, and who will support it if it does resume. Right now, the current situation seems as clear as mud.

slammah2012 · Post by **slammah2012** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:14 pm

gregae wrote:
slammah2012 wrote:Soniccore is the old Creamware develpement team...
They can help you with the ASB....
I know that personally
Good information, but I think we'd all like to know if ASB production will continue, and who will support it if it does resume. Right now, the current situation seems as clear as mud.

I just ordered a Prodyssey....new in box....
My conversations with Sonicore revealed future standalone Devices, possibly even with a keybed or 2 attached...Not sure if it would carry ASB markings, more of an expansion....

gregae · Post by **gregae** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:22 am

slammah2012 wrote: I just ordered a Prodyssey....new in box....
My conversations with Sonicore revealed future standalone Devices, possibly even with a keybed or 2 attached...Not sure if it would carry ASB markings, more of an expansion....

Hope you enjoy your new Prodyssey. I've had one since last December and it still surprises and satisfies me.

I wish SonicCore and InDSP would be more forthcoming with information, especially to those of us here who already purchased ASB's and are enthusiastic fans of the product. I have both a Minimax and Prodyssey and would like to know if any OS software bug fixes/improvements are planned, and if the editing software bugs will be fixed and the software made more robust.

slammah2012 · Post by **slammah2012** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:53 pm

gregae wrote:
slammah2012 wrote: I just ordered a Prodyssey....new in box....
My conversations with Sonicore revealed future standalone Devices, possibly even with a keybed or 2 attached...Not sure if it would carry ASB markings, more of an expansion....
Hope you enjoy your new Prodyssey. I've had one since last December and it still surprises and satisfies me.

I wish SonicCore and InDSP would be more forthcoming with information, especially to those of us here who already purchased ASB's and are enthusiastic fans of the product. I have both a Minimax and Prodyssey and would like to know if any OS software bug fixes/improvements are planned, and if the editing software bugs will be fixed and the software made more robust.

Why don't you contact sonicore with your bug to be fixed, they may whip you up a beta to test out for a few months

just to make sure it functions for the rest of us.....
I am still testing one they wrote for my unit.....

unfortunately they are written to only work with the assigned ASB unit with the password etc....

pricklyrobot · Post by **pricklyrobot** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:27 am

slammah2012 wrote: Why don't you contact sonicore with your bug to be fixed, they may whip you up a beta to test out for a few months just to make sure it functions for the rest of us.....
I am still testing one they wrote for my unit..... unfortunately they are written to only work with the assigned ASB unit with the password etc....

Hey, it's great that you were lucky enough to get the royal treatment from Soniccore, but some of the rest of us have written to them with our problems and had no response at all. So, for our sakes, it'd be nice if they'd at least put up something on their website along the lines of 'Hey all ASB users, don't worry we haven't abandoned this product, we're working on fixes and upgrades. Thanks for your patience.', and maybe offer some kind of general time-frame.

Picking out random people to do beta testing for them and not telling anyone about it might ultimately lead to problems being solved, but in the meantime it doesn't do much to inspire confidence in the customer base at large.

gregae · Post by **gregae** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:29 am

pricklyrobot wrote:
slammah2012 wrote: Why don't you contact sonicore with your bug to be fixed, they may whip you up a beta to test out for a few months just to make sure it functions for the rest of us.....
I am still testing one they wrote for my unit..... unfortunately they are written to only work with the assigned ASB unit with the password etc....
Hey, it's great that you were lucky enough to get the royal treatment from Soniccore, but some of the rest of us have written to them with our problems and had no response at all. So, for our sakes, it'd be nice if they'd at least put up something on their website along the lines of 'Hey all ASB users, don't worry we haven't abandoned this product, we're working on fixes and upgrades. Thanks for your patience.', and maybe offer some kind of general time-frame.

Picking out random people to do beta testing for them and not telling anyone about it might ultimately lead to problems being solved, but in the meantime it doesn't do much to inspire confidence in the customer base at large.

Here, here! I whole-heartedly agree!

I haven't emailed SonicCore about any of my issues, but they have already been reported here in great detail by many forum members, including myself. If SonicCore was genuinely interested in addressing these issues, they could easily review the various postings here (it wouldn't take long) and compile a list of concerns about the MiniMax, Pro12, Prodyssey and B4000, figure out what they can and can't fix, and then let us know. I can't think of a better way for them to satisfy and endear their existing customer base, as well as garner new customers.

If they need a beta tester, I'd be happy to volunteer to support their MiniMax and Prodyssey efforts in this regard.

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:31 am

Once Solaris is out the door they might be able to turn their attention back to the ASBs, I'm thinking....

pricklyrobot · Post by **pricklyrobot** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:49 pm

Shayne White wrote:Once Solaris is out the door they might be able to turn their attention back to the ASBs, I'm thinking....

Assuming the Solaris is a commercial success, and doesn't lead Soniccore down the same path as Creamware.

Awesome as Solaris looks to be, and much as I'd like to have one myself, I'm not sure how it'll fare in a synth world currently dominated by marketing generic workstations to wannabe hip-hop producers.

Although, it seems like Moog and DSI are making enough money these days to stick around, so who knows, maybe there is enough of a market for genuinely interesting gear. Here's hoping.

johnbowen · Post by **johnbowen** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:23 am

pricklyrobot wrote:
Shayne White wrote:Once Solaris is out the door they might be able to turn their attention back to the ASBs, I'm thinking....
Assuming the Solaris is a commercial success, and doesn't lead Soniccore down the same path as Creamware.
Awesome as Solaris looks to be, and much as I'd like to have one myself, I'm not sure how it'll fare in a synth world currently dominated by marketing generic workstations to wannabe hip-hop producers. Although, it seems like Moog and DSI are making enough money these days to stick around, so who knows, maybe there is enough of a market for genuinely interesting gear. Here's hoping.

Yes, I'm hoping this, too!

But to clarify - the Solaris is not a Sonic Core product, exactly...it's to be marketed and sold by me as John Bowen Synth Design (it would be nice to join the Moog and DSI group, for sure!). Whether it's a commercial success or failure, it won't take Sonic Core down the same path as Creamware, because SC have other products to work on as well. (Maybe it takes JB Synth Design down that CW path, but I really hope not!). Besides, you have to define what 'commerical success' means in this case. For Korg, that would be sales of 10,000 units, but for a small company (without needing to pay salaries for hundreds of people, for ex.), it's much less.

By the way, while I've been at Sonic Core this week, I've seen Minimaxs and Pro-12s being assembled and tested, so I would say they are still producing them. I don't know the status about any bug fixes or problems, however. Ralf is the only guy handling the forums and support, and I think we all know he's extremely busy. Yes, that's not an excuse for no answer to your requests, but I think they are trying to do as best they can right now.

john b.