Uh,.. medication is drugs btw.
OT: Drugs & Music
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paulrmartin
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Neil B
I'm not really going to air my views except to say that I've been involved in trying to rebuild quite a few lives in the past for people who've suffered from drug abuse or have suffered becuase of others' involvement.
Nope, I'm clean and only dabbled a very little when I was a tweenager.
But perhaps we've all missed something in this long thread that should give us all cause for concern:
Creepjoint - what exactly do you do with carrots?
Nope, I'm clean and only dabbled a very little when I was a tweenager.
But perhaps we've all missed something in this long thread that should give us all cause for concern:
Creepjoint - what exactly do you do with carrots?
medication is not necessarily drugs.the word drug originally means a chemical.(from old french drogue,"chemical)in modern times drug is a chemical USED AS medicine.(the ART of a physician)the art of a physician includes humor,massage,exercise,herbs AND drugs among other things.(all medicines)
source:american heritage dictionary of the english language C.1981
source:american heritage dictionary of the english language C.1981
Caleb- I think your analogy is accurate... Certain plant-guides can assist one to open-up his mind to new octaves of reality, even if it's not the only way, thanks God! Because for me it was a drastic means and I needed every ounce of my strenght to go through the severe conscience crisis I encountered and remain sane! That's why I don't encourage people to do like me! I don't want people to see what I saw, unless they're really prepared to face the harsh reality of this world...
Through my experience, I found simple laws which permit me to live a happy, relaxed and intense fulfilling life. Here they are:
-The withdrawal of animal flesh from the diet
-Avoiding intoxicants of any kinds at any costs (smoke, drugs, alcohol, coffee, sugar...)
-Controling sexual energy (use only for procreation)
-Powerful daily invocation to the Sacred Fire to give me the courage and strenght to stick to puriry and the Higher Ideals I know I need in my Heart!!!
These Divine Flame invocations and visualizations are absolutely essential if one wants to have quick results ans achieve permanent happiness.
Through my experience, I found simple laws which permit me to live a happy, relaxed and intense fulfilling life. Here they are:
-The withdrawal of animal flesh from the diet
-Avoiding intoxicants of any kinds at any costs (smoke, drugs, alcohol, coffee, sugar...)
-Controling sexual energy (use only for procreation)
-Powerful daily invocation to the Sacred Fire to give me the courage and strenght to stick to puriry and the Higher Ideals I know I need in my Heart!!!
These Divine Flame invocations and visualizations are absolutely essential if one wants to have quick results ans achieve permanent happiness.
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Nestor
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If I give an opinion on this, I have to be serious cos I feel there is responsibility on what we say, and this is a very serious topic. I would never support drugs in any way, except the strictly therapeutic one, despite the fact I understand why people take them… So please, do not understand it as a judgement, it is not, I understand the situation of our beloved Earth.
Well, I guess the problem of drugs is basically caused by the need for “feeling” something we are unable to feel otherwise, the “feeling of being well”. I think that people taking drugs are unsatisfied people somehow. Human beings need “sensations” cos we feel spiritually empty.
Drugs, by all means, are a negative way of going through life; it suffices to you to study a bit what’s the EFFECT onto your body, mind and psychological states, to agree with me that they are dangerous. Drugs makes us even more subjective of what we already are, what I personally want is to wake up and not to keep sleeping. Drugs causes labour accidents, destroys families, makes people to hang “nowhere” loosing their lives ending in failure. These are some aspects of personal damage, but… there are many other aspects to take into account. You can’t think just about you forgetting the whole thing surrounding it! That would be too egoist! Drugs are related to many, many serious problems in our earth, you can’t just think about your feelings and forget the damage it causes in a general scale.
I have a friend who used to take hard injectable drugs and now, after 20 years, have been found Hepatitis C, he’s too a composer. I’ve seen a great jazz drummer to become an idiot cos he wanted to experiment with some hallucinogens loosing his wonderful carrier. I’ve seen another friend, long time ago, going jail for three years destroying his health and becoming even more addict than before when going out of jail cos in jail people would give him the same rubbish. There is no one in earth to tell me I’m wrong about that, cos I’m not talking about a book I’ve just read, but about what I’ve seen and experienced! Nevertheless, I’m respectful to everyone involved in this, cos I understand the hard situation in which people find themselves. But understanding will never make me justifying it.
I’m sorry for being so hard, but taking drugs is not only a problem for yourself as I said, you’re helping prostitution as well, which is behind it, you’re helping mafia, which is behind it, you’re helping terrorism, which is behind it, you’re helping children exploitation and abuse, which is behind it, you’re helping illegal weapon traffics, criminality, serious human intoxication which will reflect on future generations ADN, drugs are misleading many potential fantastic young people direct to life-breakdown… etc. In fact, you’re giving your hard earned money to some sanguinary monsters capable of killing, raping, kidnapping senselessly, out of greed!!! If you were to accept my oppiniton, please… please… please… get far away from anything related to it!
I know that taking something is not directly killing people, it’s no straight doing harm to others, but you are indirectly participating with all this crap and harming yourself too and your future children. Health has no replacement, there is nothing most precious than your health. Being friendly I have to say to those who support drugs:
“You can argue with me if you like, but you cannot change the facts…”
Well, I guess the problem of drugs is basically caused by the need for “feeling” something we are unable to feel otherwise, the “feeling of being well”. I think that people taking drugs are unsatisfied people somehow. Human beings need “sensations” cos we feel spiritually empty.
Drugs, by all means, are a negative way of going through life; it suffices to you to study a bit what’s the EFFECT onto your body, mind and psychological states, to agree with me that they are dangerous. Drugs makes us even more subjective of what we already are, what I personally want is to wake up and not to keep sleeping. Drugs causes labour accidents, destroys families, makes people to hang “nowhere” loosing their lives ending in failure. These are some aspects of personal damage, but… there are many other aspects to take into account. You can’t think just about you forgetting the whole thing surrounding it! That would be too egoist! Drugs are related to many, many serious problems in our earth, you can’t just think about your feelings and forget the damage it causes in a general scale.
I have a friend who used to take hard injectable drugs and now, after 20 years, have been found Hepatitis C, he’s too a composer. I’ve seen a great jazz drummer to become an idiot cos he wanted to experiment with some hallucinogens loosing his wonderful carrier. I’ve seen another friend, long time ago, going jail for three years destroying his health and becoming even more addict than before when going out of jail cos in jail people would give him the same rubbish. There is no one in earth to tell me I’m wrong about that, cos I’m not talking about a book I’ve just read, but about what I’ve seen and experienced! Nevertheless, I’m respectful to everyone involved in this, cos I understand the hard situation in which people find themselves. But understanding will never make me justifying it.
I’m sorry for being so hard, but taking drugs is not only a problem for yourself as I said, you’re helping prostitution as well, which is behind it, you’re helping mafia, which is behind it, you’re helping terrorism, which is behind it, you’re helping children exploitation and abuse, which is behind it, you’re helping illegal weapon traffics, criminality, serious human intoxication which will reflect on future generations ADN, drugs are misleading many potential fantastic young people direct to life-breakdown… etc. In fact, you’re giving your hard earned money to some sanguinary monsters capable of killing, raping, kidnapping senselessly, out of greed!!! If you were to accept my oppiniton, please… please… please… get far away from anything related to it!
I know that taking something is not directly killing people, it’s no straight doing harm to others, but you are indirectly participating with all this crap and harming yourself too and your future children. Health has no replacement, there is nothing most precious than your health. Being friendly I have to say to those who support drugs:
“You can argue with me if you like, but you cannot change the facts…”
*MUSIC* The most Powerful Language in the world! *INDEED*
I think that you're right, Nestor, you are not judgemental nor harsh, but rather exposing some facts... Buying poisonous substances, illegal or not, literally feeds the evil influences which seek nothing else but to wreck existence after existence, until the Earth is is destroyed and humans are depraved! Each time one lights a cigarette or absorbs an intoxicant, this person takes an active part in the nameless desecration that mankind imposes upon Life, period!
Now, I'm not saying one should do this or should not do that, I'm saying the truth! People think they can fool with the Life which beats their Heart and poison their bodies without paying the price. This is foolish indeed! I ask to the Source of All Life to purify the minds and bodies of mankind and awaken them to the constructive way of life before it's too late... Unfortunately, many dom't realize the consequences which result and will result from their irresponsible and absurd behaviour... God bless them and bring them back to the Light!
Now, I'm not saying one should do this or should not do that, I'm saying the truth! People think they can fool with the Life which beats their Heart and poison their bodies without paying the price. This is foolish indeed! I ask to the Source of All Life to purify the minds and bodies of mankind and awaken them to the constructive way of life before it's too late... Unfortunately, many dom't realize the consequences which result and will result from their irresponsible and absurd behaviour... God bless them and bring them back to the Light!
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ontik
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Nestor I agree wholeheartedly with your philosophy. I really do.
And I am a part of the problem you've raised.
But have you ever voted? But money in a bank? Bought a coke? Worn a pair of Nike trainers? Placed a bet? Gone to the cinema? Used electricity?
Aside from completely returning to the earth, living in any developed society will ensure that you fuel all of the evils you describe. for behind every cent you spend ia a corporation or organisation who will directly or indirectly result in abuse of some description at the hand of the dollar.
My only point hear is this: Sure, drugs have a horrific overall effect. But you name anything you do and I'll bet I can illustrate an associated evil for mankind or the planet. And your DOING will find its way to this result.
E=mc2
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction within our physical world. Don't be so quick to count yourself so RIGHT because you don't do drugs, eat animals, because pray or don't pray and so on.....
I make no claim be a good or right person. And frankly I laugh at those who claim they are and hold in contempt those who claim to be more right than me. SAYS WHO???
You should understand from this that I take no higher ground than yourself or any other when the topic comes to worth of a complete self.
We are all equal.
And I am a part of the problem you've raised.
But have you ever voted? But money in a bank? Bought a coke? Worn a pair of Nike trainers? Placed a bet? Gone to the cinema? Used electricity?
Aside from completely returning to the earth, living in any developed society will ensure that you fuel all of the evils you describe. for behind every cent you spend ia a corporation or organisation who will directly or indirectly result in abuse of some description at the hand of the dollar.
My only point hear is this: Sure, drugs have a horrific overall effect. But you name anything you do and I'll bet I can illustrate an associated evil for mankind or the planet. And your DOING will find its way to this result.
E=mc2
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction within our physical world. Don't be so quick to count yourself so RIGHT because you don't do drugs, eat animals, because pray or don't pray and so on.....
I make no claim be a good or right person. And frankly I laugh at those who claim they are and hold in contempt those who claim to be more right than me. SAYS WHO???
You should understand from this that I take no higher ground than yourself or any other when the topic comes to worth of a complete self.
We are all equal.
ontiK.
"If I have to explain, you won't understand."
"If I have to explain, you won't understand."
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Neil B
Okay,
the purpose of an OT is to discuss non-music related topics, but I'm beginning to sense some slightly negative moods creeping into the replies.
There's been lots of comments about the harm that is being caused to the planet. I assume we mean Planet Earth!
Let's not start causing harm to Planet Z as well, shake hands and get back to sharing music, technology, friendship and all the other good points of this "Planet". I like living here. Let's agree to differ.
If I'm out of order, I apologise and this reply can be deleted. Tell me to mind my own business too.
the purpose of an OT is to discuss non-music related topics, but I'm beginning to sense some slightly negative moods creeping into the replies.
There's been lots of comments about the harm that is being caused to the planet. I assume we mean Planet Earth!
Let's not start causing harm to Planet Z as well, shake hands and get back to sharing music, technology, friendship and all the other good points of this "Planet". I like living here. Let's agree to differ.
If I'm out of order, I apologise and this reply can be deleted. Tell me to mind my own business too.
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ontik
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For sure Neil
Those who know me in real life would tell you that when I 'discuss' a topic I can come across very forthright, as if I am 'telling' someone some thing rather than expressing a point of view.
I do speak with very strong conviction and this is often taken as arrogance. I'm really just very confident and I'm aware this is seen as arrogance by some. So be it. I guess this may be coming across in my writing as well.
To anyone reading please don't take offense. If I mean to offend (and I do occasionally, but not on topics such as this) you will see the difference.
Peace t'all y'all
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ontiK.
"If I have to explain, you won't understand."
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Those who know me in real life would tell you that when I 'discuss' a topic I can come across very forthright, as if I am 'telling' someone some thing rather than expressing a point of view.
I do speak with very strong conviction and this is often taken as arrogance. I'm really just very confident and I'm aware this is seen as arrogance by some. So be it. I guess this may be coming across in my writing as well.
To anyone reading please don't take offense. If I mean to offend (and I do occasionally, but not on topics such as this) you will see the difference.
Peace t'all y'all
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ontiK.
"If I have to explain, you won't understand."
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not equal doesn't mean less valuable or important.if all were equal there'd be no diversity.that man can't replace this man,nor would that be desirable.
all the stems and branches,leaves,trunk and roots are part of the beauty of the tree,but the root is not equal to the leave on the top of the tree nor the leave to the root on the bottom.(roots make bad leaves)
all parts vital.
o.k. equal in importance.....
thanks for the thread ontik.
and stay off drugs!(just my opinion..)
all the stems and branches,leaves,trunk and roots are part of the beauty of the tree,but the root is not equal to the leave on the top of the tree nor the leave to the root on the bottom.(roots make bad leaves)
all parts vital.
o.k. equal in importance.....
thanks for the thread ontik.
and stay off drugs!(just my opinion..)
I love it "Stay off drugs".... What if you are dying and need drugs just to live? If not for antibiotics and science I would have been dead years ago when I needed what is now considered a somewhat minor operation (an appendectomy) and yes I know I have gone ot on an ot thread but let me explain why. I do understand that you guys are referering to so called "recreational drugs" but I for one see no reason why all recreational drugs are simply refered to as drugs and put in the same category. The only explaination I can think of is a fear of the unknown. A fear of the realm which is outside our experience of reality or what most think of as normality, furthermore I thought recreation was good. It has the word creation in it. The company that invented Viagra had to put out a statement that VIAGRA® (sildenafil citrate) is not a recreational drug. I was laughing my ass off when they did that. Think about it. The reason for this statement is because we (The U.S.A.) are a bunch of puritanical superstitious idiots, plain and simple and that will never change as long as we have a bunch of southern rednecks running the country. Up in Canada they are trying to legalize marijuana. That is because they don't have cowboys as presidents. They don't have hicks deciding what the rest of us should be doing. People should mind their own business and let other people do what they want as long as they are not hurting anyone but themselves!
Today I discovered all the Pc1600x presets for Propellerhead's Reason were made up wrong. Not really, you can use custom CC# on every device, but I only found the implementation guide when I noticed Reason devices started to react weird. Anywayz, seems there's an easy midi implementation by default. Oops.
Now you tell me what this has to do w the topic
Now you tell me what this has to do w the topic
