Good Weighted Keyboard That Is Not Heavy?

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Good Weighted Keyboard That Is Not Heavy?

Post by braincell » Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:29 pm

Maybe I am asking for the impossible. Anyone know of a light but heavy weighted keyboard controller?

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Re: Good Weighted Keyboard That Is Not Heavy?

Post by Marco » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:28 am

Visit your local music dealer and just test the best. Because they can give you a fast answer. Maybe a telephone call is the fastest. I remember there is one light weight weighted keyboard available, but I don't know the model. Just call, if necessary call a view dealers, they know it, because they want to sell it! Good luck.
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Re: Good Weighted Keyboard That Is Not Heavy?

Post by dawman » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:38 am

What you seek is pricey.
For extreme MIDI Control while playing Physis is incredible.
I didn't like the heavy action.
It isn't comparable to real Pianos even though they say it is.
There's the new VAX w/ PAT that's fairly cheap, haven't played one.
But their old graded action on the VAX77 by Infinite Response was the most enjoyable heavy action I ever played.
Check out muffwiggler forums, keyboard corner forums.
Lots of players there always sharing experiences.

I bet you'd like the VAX.
I think it's 96 keys or something insane.
Maybe have 88s too.

Stay away from cheese like Nektar, MAudio, total junk.

Casio Privia are very compact and have a heavy action.
I have a spare PX 3S 88 as a spare, weighs like 20 lbs.
So adding a heavy bed might make it 35 lbs.

You being a Pianist would like VAX Grade action.
Several various levels of heavy too, not just one.

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Re: Good Weighted Keyboard That Is Not Heavy?

Post by braincell » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:25 pm

I'll try the VAX but seems hard to find other than on their website. There is a large dealer here so I'll see if they have it. I do like heavy action even though it feels nothing like a real piano.

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Re: Good Weighted Keyboard That Is Not Heavy?

Post by Marco » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:32 pm

Nothing plays and nothing sounds like a real grand piano. But there are a lot of good keys out there, which have an usable alternative feel. But none of these are comparable with a real one. If you never played or owned a real grand, you will never care about the difference.
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Re: Good Weighted Keyboard That Is Not Heavy?

Post by braincell » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:05 pm

Well the keyboard manager never heard of a VAX keyboard.

I did get to try a Roli but it kept getting stuck notes even after rebooting the Mac computer. It feels very soft. Was not impressed with the softsynth sounds at all but I suppose with tweaking other VSTi synths would work well with it.

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Post by braincell » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:26 pm

VAX Info here:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/12 ... controller

I bet this is what I need.

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Post by dawman » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:41 pm

I have a friend who received his unit IIRC.
Bought Solaris too but no Scope.
I'll see if he's got one and how happy he is.

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Re: Good Weighted Keyboard That Is Not Heavy?

Post by braincell » Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:39 pm

dawman wrote:I have a friend who received his unit IIRC.
Bought Solaris too but no Scope.
I'll see if he's got one and how happy he is.
Would prefer to buy assembled but worth 4 hours work to have the best. I wonder if I should pledge for it.

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Post by ronnie » Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:15 pm

You might check out the NI Kontrol 88 key version. They're around $900. I haven't used it but it got some good reviews. I use a Casio Privia 150 that I got for $399. It weighs around 20lbs. It has a great feel (even though the keys have this weird texture, I got used to it) It doesn't have mod and pitch so it ain't great as a controller but I don't use it for synths, I like a synth keyboard feel for that. The best synth feel for me is on the Behringer Motor series. The keys are full size and feel great.
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Re: Good Weighted Keyboard That Is Not Heavy?

Post by braincell » Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:39 pm

I played a bunch of keyboards today and nothing was wow. VAX has polyphonic aftertouch. That is significant. I wonder what software synths support polyphonic aftertouch since very few people have it in their controller.

Update:

Zebra and Omnisphere have polyphonic aftertouch. Both of those are good I hear.

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Post by valis » Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:59 pm

There's a good deal of software that responds to poly AT, and more hardware than you'd expect has it as a mod source even when the hardware's native keybed doesn't offer this feature. Surprising perhaps, but true :)

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Re: Good Weighted Keyboard That Is Not Heavy?

Post by dawman » Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:16 pm

Make sure to get Zebra2 HZ.
It's a fantastic synth.
It's so powerful I program sounds on IEMs, then tweak them over 4000 watt Line Array using XITE-1.

Scope synths sound really good but the Diva Filter, MemoryMoog Resonator and separate VCAs on each of the 4 x grids of modules is a fantastic method, and Scopes Filters just aren't there yet.

PAT could trigger anything but really is fantastic for Filter and LFO modulation work.


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Re: Good Weighted Keyboard That Is Not Heavy?

Post by braincell » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:17 pm

dawman wrote:Fast forward to 3:46

https://youtu.be/jZww6amtrnI

Thanks Dawman. The Ikon is tempting. Maybe put it on the VAX.

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Re: Good Weighted Keyboard That Is Not Heavy?

Post by valis » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:00 am

$199? Crazy...

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Re: Good Weighted Keyboard That Is Not Heavy?

Post by braincell » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:41 pm

valis wrote:$199? Crazy...

The price and size is great but read the reviews of their smaller keyboard.

https://www.amazon.com/Icon-iKeyboard-6 ... +pro+audio

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Re: Good Weighted Keyboard That Is Not Heavy?

Post by dawman » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:04 pm

There's a reason I pay 2 large for just a controller.
Just saying....

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Re: Good Weighted Keyboard That Is Not Heavy?

Post by braincell » Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:35 am

dawman wrote:There's a reason I pay 2 large for just a controller.
Just saying....

Yep. I'm actually going to check out the Yamaha NU1 Hybrid Piano (which has real hammers). The bad part (besides the very high price) is I read that the sensors sometimes play a note loudly when the musician is playing softly! So close to perfect yet fuck! This would obviously not be portable (not in my car) as I was originally asking for. It's too bad they don't make one for portability but it would probably weigh 100 pounds if they did.

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Re: Good Weighted Keyboard That Is Not Heavy?

Post by braincell » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:01 pm

anabella wrote:Nothing plays and nothing sounds like a real grand piano. But there are a lot of good keys out there, which have an usable alternative feel. But none of these are comparable with a real one. If you never played or owned a real grand, you will never care about the difference.

I just tried the Yamaha NU1 and it feels exactly like a real piano because it has real piano hammers (but no strings). Sensors are from Bösendorfer which Yamaha bought. I actually like the action more than my real piano. The hammer rods are shorter so you can play faster on single notes (takes less time to bounce back).

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