Brexit

[dawman]

Well who could punish Brits for voicing thier anger?

The Banks and Corporations who own DC and Brussells.
To them this is a pre cursor to the 3 secret global trade agreements they sponsor.

If you wont enforce the original NAFTA agreement how would another layer of bull shit on top of an already non binding document exploiting cheap labor help?

Just one example.
Peru is logging at levels where planting trees will never replenish the damage.
80% of the wood is basically illegal.
USTR and DOJ don t do anything.

But they did have several swat teams take down the Gibson factory.
Those evil tree killers.

ISDS Courts are a joke.
Such agreements will only take more freedoms away while exploiting cheap labor.....AGAIN.

[siriusbliss]

Here's a new law that the EU overlords are passing to protect their sheeple livestock.

http://thinkaboutnow.com/2016/06/eu-its ... hydration/

Please master, hit me again...

[roy thinnes]

Here's a new law that the EU overlords are passing to protect their sheeple livestock.
http://thinkaboutnow.com/2016/06/eu-its ... hydration/
Please master, hit me again...

thanks for the link.
quote: 'If you’re wondering why British people would want to leave the EU, just look at this choice example of bureaucratic stupidity.'
If you wouldn't just swallow what this site says, but do a little investigation you could find out what this is all about:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/the ... 1/nov/18/1
http://www.efsa.europa.eu/sites/default ... s/1982.pdf
(btw more about EU myths: http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/dai ... -eu-rules/ )

So, it's not a rule but a 'piece of advice which member states are free to interpret as they wish'.
I won't go any deeper here, just read the Guardian article and/or the Efsa paper if you're into.
I'm not a lawyer and won't discuss boring legal texts here, but I think this is a typical example for EU leavers/haters opinion-forming:
don't believe serious journalists, instead believe in yellow press and internet sites which suites your taste.

like on that same 'thinkabout' site:
http://thinkaboutnow.com/2016/06/colleg ... g-tickets/
(student who developed an online 'robot lawyer' to prevent parking offenders to pay for their offence)
ok, who wants to pay a parking ticket? nobody! this site must be good! I'm in!
'College freshman Joshua Browder has created an online robot lawyer that has overturned 160,000 traffic tickets in London and New York' .
If you think about it twice, you may *probably* come to the conclusion that it's BS if everyone may park his/her shitty car everywhere he/she wants, esp. in cities like NYC or London.

what makes me angry and worried about all this EU -or generally authority- skepticism is that it seems that people who don't live here
and probably never had been or will be here are thinking they are smart enough to know what the EU should (not) do.
E.g: you know nothin about what a single currency means, not only economically, but for peoples's common identity on this continent.

Maybe at scool you heard something about two major wars that occurred in the last century in Europe:
the first one started in 1914 by the two emperors of Austria and Germany (WW I), the last one by a chap named Adolf Hitler, started in 1939 (WW II).
Civilian losses WW I: 17m, WW II: 60m.
That's a big chunk I'd like to say. Maybe it would be better to prevent such conflicts?
In addition, as nowadays weaponry is even more devastating, WW III casualties may go into billions.
So how could we avoid such a scenario?

Do you think it's better when every state (I'm talking about Europe) is strictly doing his own thingy, maybe collaborates a bit
with some others but basically is anxious keeping foreigners and foreign economy outside, like the majority of Britain now has chosen?

Maybe this is ok for the Uk, as it always has been something special, if only because out of geological reasons. If they want it: now they have it. Have fun.
Nigel Farage about the £350m 'EU money' he devoted to the NHS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz2tvnVM6oA#t=1m54s

But I think it would be devastating for Europe as a whole if more EU countries would leave.
We should, no, we must cooperate tightly if we want to live in peace and develop on this continent.

It's not an easy task, nobody said that. There had been numerous debacles:
Civil wars in former yugoslavia (1991-2001), or the Greece finance scandal, to name just two.
Slovenia is EU member since 2004, Croatia since 2013. No more wars anymore.
For Greece, a lot of tough work lies ahead. And, yes, the EU taxpayers had to pay the bill, together with the Greeks in the first place of course, for having such a corrupt gouvernment.
Politicians argued whether to back Greece and keep it in the EU, or let it go into bankruptcy.
But besides economical reasons I just want to point out a little sidenote why Greece belongs to Europe and viceversa, and that is:
Greek culture was the birthplace of Western civilization.
Without those guys (and the Romans who learned from them) we would be a bunch of barbarians battering their skulls.
So I think we a have a f*cking duty to back this country, giving something back.


This temple stands on a remote mountainside in the Peloponnese, quite untouched, since 450-400 BC. On the right it's a view from the temple into the surrounding area. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bassae
But it's only a tiny part of the Greek ancient heritage. Which all has to be conserved. Which costs money. Which comes from the EU.

Ok, to the op's statements:

The britisch are not stupid anymore.

how this demograph can be interpreted?
The majority of Brits who have only visited High School (until 15-16 y.) voted for Brexit.
So the less educated the more intelligent people are, right?

Germany gets destroyed by open doors no passport controlles against organized crime. And welcome to all refugees islamists etc.

Does that mean: all refugees = islamists, and what is 'etc.' ? Satanists? Rapers, bastards, jews, socialists, gays. Commies? Greens? AliBaba&the40thieves. The Wall Street, incl. the Pres Barack Obama himself.

I'm baffled.
But what I can see is that there's a big heap of people who want to drive our society into the ground, deliberately.
Choosing the nationalistic, unsocial, fascist way.
It's all been there, and it's not so long ago.

[Nestor]

Which is sad, is that if you immerse yourself willingly to get into the background of what is happening in human nature itself, if you go to the bottom of it all deep, deep down, you realize that no matter which law may be implemented today, it will be broken tomorrow, or overruled by a new law or a new tricky strategy. There is no real GOOD WILL to solve problems in the high spheres! People have become way too cold to each other. People’s pain and suffering are no longer a problem for governments, there are no more kings walking the streets shaking hands and giving people some real “human” hope and sincere humanitarian advice, there is no interest in people’s lives. The interest remains in what they can give to them. Today everything is a written discourse which is divorced from the needed “good will”, their speeches are words used advantageously to defend themselves from this and attack such and such for that, nothing else, but natural spontaneous words coming from the heart are always missing. When have we heard politicians talking about love, or giving us some serious and sound advices on how we should behave to each other and as a community? Very rarely, and if you did, it was part of the strategy too. How can people dedicated to lead the way in mankind not be at least a little more human? This means there is no hope coming from “politics” itself, because politics does not exists to help you, but to profit FROM you as a strategy to get power and do what they want to do.

We are suffering the results of “bad education”: You tech bad manners to your child throwing papers to the floor every time you eat something, well of course, children understand this is the way they should live too and behave exactly the same way generation after generation. We have been, as human beings, very bad teachers to each other in terms of how leading this world and today we can see the result of so many bad beginnings. We have lost our way!

[hubird]

great post Roy
You've guts too.

These guys have a mission...
Analytically it's absolutely poor, it's all conspiracy and suggestion.

The deeply experienced hate against 'government' - in it's radical appearance a typical American phenomenon- does fit conspiracy as a catsuit.
What bothers me too is that some of them think that the rest of the world should follow the same sentiment.
If you don't you're stupid or mislead, and you get a shitload of angry comments telling you what to believe and what not, as a dictate.
At least Sounddesigner seems to communicate instead of vomiting.

Yet mostly it's fun tho

[garyb]

oh THANK YOU for the "advice" daddy!

i never knew that water doesn't hydrate you. it's so good that my daddy protects me in this way!

the wars hubird speaks of were supported by the same bankers who are now running the EU, but i know that they're good now, even though they used to do evil.

about the UK leaving weakening the EU-
it sounds like the EU is propped up by the British Pound. it seems that the EU is awfully dependent on the UK to keep it solvent. this seems like an inherently bad relationship for the UK, but that's just a quick opinion, not anything learned...

in any case, the vote was just a suggestion, it was just "advice" from the people in the UK, and only a bit more than half of the population, so i don't expect any major changes to come from it, despite "doomsday" EU "conspiracy theories".

[dawman]

I like RoyTs post for many reasons.
Positive thinking mostly.
Every German I know is incredibly tolerant.
Your opinions and reasoning reflect that.

My black guitarist I grew up with sees the good in everything, but manages to apply comical brilliance.

As grade school students we often sat through many films in social studies where the films of racist whites killing Indians, making lives for blacks terrible in the South.

A film would show a restroom for whites and blacks.
He'd say look man..we had our own restrooms.
Then a black woman was shown a sign saying blacks sit here. Back of the bus.
He'd say yeah man....furthest from the crash.

He's from Ferguson. We rehearsed they as the DOJ/Media Matters folks organized protests, etc.

So here we are at a biker club, lots of convicted felons, tats, 60k choppers.
He's re only black and folks are still on edge as the paid protesters just burned the town down.

But we introduce him and he holds his hands up and says don't shoot.

Love optimistic people.
Especially when we live in a world of shit.

[pastor]

I find it quite amusing how certain overseas people in this discussion blames the "false media" for spreading pro-EU propaganda, while the "Remain" side is protesting outside Murdocks media offices blaming the "false media" for Pro-leave propaganda.

Roy, you will get nowhere in discussion. If you show them more educated people vote for Remain, they will just tell you the elites have formed them during education to be Pro-EU, and that the real geniouses is those who never went to school or university, but found the real truth on certain shady conspiracy websites.

You can show them examples of something, but it will always be part of some cunning plan to herd us sheeples into something bigger and badder. Perfect example from Nestor: "When have we heard politicians talking about love, or giving us some serious and sound advices on how we should behave to each other and as a community? Very rarely, and if you did, it was part of the strategy too. "

You cant argue with this. Its like teaching a stone how to bicycle.

[wayne]

Right now Australia is voting between 1: Full corporate gov, or 2: fascist lite.

I'll report back

[hubird]

That's not true.
Nowhere i read something which sounds like that.
It's just a pure conspiracy interpretation of reality.
I'd reserve the term fascism for the real thing Wayne, as that's different stuff.

What is true is that the people seem to vote more towards the extremes of the political spectrum:

BBC News:
"Australians, seemingly in a mood to punish the major parties, voted in large numbers for independents and minor parties, correspondents say."

I Hope you can tell us what struggle between the classes is going on in your country

[wayne]

Can you say it's not true without being here hubird?

[wayne]

Should have phrased it better - fully certifiable throwback hard right wing vs go along-with-the atrocities gimme a vote medium right-wing. Murdoch in the mix, splashing out.

[wayne]

Also - class struggle is real here - we struggle with the well-off as much as any

[hubird]

getting more interesting already

note: of course I don't have to be in a country to say something about it, like about the qualification of 'fascistic'
Maybe I wasn't clear enough about what is 'untrue'
I don't consider anti immigration movements as 'fascistic'.
Pegida for instance suffers from the same predict, while the most part of it are just people in the street worried about the old safe zone.

We know a lot about the universe already, and we've never been there outside our own mini planet and it's moon

[hubird]

for those who think to know what conspiracy is: it's a setup!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM1P0oc2-es

[garyb]

there's nothing wrong with cooperation or organization. it's just a matter of who is in charge of a system and why.

sorry. i'm not cool with a central government for the world.
organizing so that free trade can happen is great.

pretending like the system doesn't need a constant purge of corruption and the despite of that corruption of the system, it is trustworthy, is like living on porn sites without any virus protection and expecting your data in your computer to remain intact.

i know that people don't want to do this, but the true path to peace and prosperity is in adult behaviors of respect and love and compassion, but not hippie compassion, just a simple moment to consider anothers needs when assessing one's own. this happens from person to person. it is local. it starts with people making others lives more pleasant in their own neighborhood. that radiates out. i know this won't happen because people don't want to bother. they're more concerned with what they want. for this reason, they pass off the responsibility for their own lives to the first powerful other who promises to handle things. sometimes this is a wise decision, sometimes it isn't. generally, the ones who do the job of thinking and fighting for everyone spend their time expanding their power, regardless of what level of power they have or were contracted to have.

as i said earlier, the same bankers that funded Hitler and Churchill and Stalin and Roosevelt and Mao and Pol Pot and Saddam Hussein and Putin and Helmut Schmidt and Angela Merkel and Obama and Chiang Kai Shek and Mitterand and so on and so forth, fund the EU. yes, i know they're done some amazing and great things! so did Alexander the Great. Alexander was a mass murderer as much as a savior. i'm not working against the EU or anything. actually, i really don't care, and i can see that it has it's advantages. i just don't trust it's leaders to be doing anything for anyone but themselves, however. if that benefits others, that's fine and dandy. if the Peers decide that they wish to depopulate again(Phillip called for it), then that is just what will happen. of course, they'll do their best to keep you happy in the mean time. noblesse oblige and all.

i know that it's pointless to write this because
1. it's none of my business
2. nobody is interested
3. it doesn't matter what i think
4. i'm basically an idiot

but, also as i said before, i think this whole drama is nonsense.
1. the vote is not binding in any way
2. as has been pointed out, the UK and the rest of the EU's economies are inextricably intertwined.
3. the real power on this earth is determined to have a one world government
4. Brexit is a stupid contraction of British Exit designed to dumb down any and all rational attempts to comprehend the issue. it's a lame catch-phrase, a meme, for short attention span overgrown adolescents like myself. it's a way into the brain, man...

[garyb]

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[Nestor]

Can you say it's not true without being here hubird?

Hey, no no no..., Wayne, Hubird is informed directly from the sources of truth coming from the BBC, he doesn't need to be there... how ridiculous life can be.

[hubird]

I got that information about the rape culture in your country not from the BBC (which channel on tv I hardly chose in my live), but from the Buenos Aires Herold.
You wanne call that information into question?

Good information doesn't have to be 'objective' in the first place, it is the writer who should be clear in his intentions or background proposition.
This makes it possible for the reader to judge the information or argumentation and see it in it's context.
I also check 'right' and 'nihilistic right', to see what's going on in the scene. Alex Jones par example.

You may have noticed that I often give the source of my information.
You however keep that totally silent...just like the regular medea do which you say are misleaden the people, eh sheep.
Show us your sources, Nestor, what are you afraid of?

[garyb]

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