Xpander, Matrix 12, 4 voice?
I'm hearing rumblings of an Oberheim hardware comeback in 2010???
Oberheim
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Re: Oberheim
The last Oberheim Viscount didn't do so well. I really liked it when I demoed it in Turnkey (RIP) but it suffered pretty bad reviews. I'm sure SOS said that the DSP was not up to the task of running some of the processes.
Re: Oberheim
Love my Matrix 1000!irrelevance wrote:The last Oberheim Viscount didn't do so well. I really liked it when I demoed it in Turnkey (RIP) but it suffered pretty bad reviews. I'm sure SOS said that the DSP was not up to the task of running some of the processes.
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Re: Oberheim
Well the first post was to find Oberheim emulators for Scope. Yes, I love Oberheim hardware as much as the next guy. But the question still remains.
1. Is there a cool Oberheim Xpander/Matrix 12 device for Scope.
2. What about Oberheim making hardware again....is this for real???
Depending on the price...I would consider buying new hardware, from such a pioneer of this industry. But the collector prices for the vintage stuff, quality of what you buy from who knows who, second hand on Egay, with the maintenance, and tuning, etc...makes me think twice.
Don't get me wrong...I LOVE Oberheim stuff...either want the real thing new, or some kick ass stuff, on the Scope platform.
I know you are out there, guys???? Thanking you in advance.
1. Is there a cool Oberheim Xpander/Matrix 12 device for Scope.
2. What about Oberheim making hardware again....is this for real???
Depending on the price...I would consider buying new hardware, from such a pioneer of this industry. But the collector prices for the vintage stuff, quality of what you buy from who knows who, second hand on Egay, with the maintenance, and tuning, etc...makes me think twice.
Don't get me wrong...I LOVE Oberheim stuff...either want the real thing new, or some kick ass stuff, on the Scope platform.
I know you are out there, guys???? Thanking you in advance.
Joel
Re: Oberheim
http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php ... t=oberheim
links to a modular patch by chris werner, never tried it though.
links to a modular patch by chris werner, never tried it though.
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Re: Oberheim
http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php ... &sk=t&sd=a
Here's an emulation of the same CEM Oscillators and Filters the Oberheim used in the OBX through the Matrix/XPander series.
But Solaris and QWave have that seperate Oscillator glide feature that the real synths had.
Modular is a good start, but for the real deal, you'll need a Solaris 5.0 or QWave 1.2.
The benefit of that is you also get the Prophet V, Prophet VS, Waldorf Wave and Oberheim sound as well as the necessary performance features.
Here's an emulation of the same CEM Oscillators and Filters the Oberheim used in the OBX through the Matrix/XPander series.
But Solaris and QWave have that seperate Oscillator glide feature that the real synths had.
Modular is a good start, but for the real deal, you'll need a Solaris 5.0 or QWave 1.2.
The benefit of that is you also get the Prophet V, Prophet VS, Waldorf Wave and Oberheim sound as well as the necessary performance features.
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Re: Oberheim
No way!
You're not gonna believe, what were the next item on my wishlist....yeah Prophet VS, and Jimmy, when you said Waldorf Wave...do you mean the $10,000 Waldorf Wave (that loaded samples etc etc), or Walforf Microwave. I have the Waldorf Oscilator for Modular II
You're not gonna believe, what were the next item on my wishlist....yeah Prophet VS, and Jimmy, when you said Waldorf Wave...do you mean the $10,000 Waldorf Wave (that loaded samples etc etc), or Walforf Microwave. I have the Waldorf Oscilator for Modular II
Joel
Re: Oberheim
JBowens Solaris in hardware is an awesome beast.
But one could buy the DSP versions of Solaris 5.0 or QWave 1.2 and have all of the above synths covered very well.
http://forums.johnbowen.com/index.php?s ... 12640af5c8
This place is full of lurkers as they await the release of the hardware synth.
Hardly anyone ever posts much there, but there can only be one PlanetZ.
You can hear the mp3's of the plug ins, and there are also mp3's & mp4's of the hardware version.
But one could buy the DSP versions of Solaris 5.0 or QWave 1.2 and have all of the above synths covered very well.
http://forums.johnbowen.com/index.php?s ... 12640af5c8
This place is full of lurkers as they await the release of the hardware synth.
Hardly anyone ever posts much there, but there can only be one PlanetZ.
You can hear the mp3's of the plug ins, and there are also mp3's & mp4's of the hardware version.
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Re: Oberheim
What do you do about the VS joystick?
Is there an emulation/preset in Solaris that would lend itself to the ABCD Joystick, and secondly...what hardware for a controller??
Thanking you in advance
Is there an emulation/preset in Solaris that would lend itself to the ABCD Joystick, and secondly...what hardware for a controller??
Thanking you in advance
Joel
Re: Oberheim
This is an excellent Scope controller.
375 Shipped from ebay.
Mediocre action, but the controls are vast and simple to use.
Most people I have met who use these love them, even though they hardly know the manual and extra tricks.
Oh, it's an Oberheim sticker only.
It's the M Audio KS88. It's just too embarrassing to be seen with that name M Audio on stage, so I use the old stickers and add my own Yellow 1" marking tape for the knobs, sliders & buttons.
These controllers are so good I couldn't possibly even use another controller no matter what the price.
They have a great support forum too, but everything they make for controllers are built well. Their application of MIDI to their instruments has no competition IMHO.
Just don't buy anything else from them like their " sound cards " or stage synths.
375 Shipped from ebay.
Mediocre action, but the controls are vast and simple to use.
Most people I have met who use these love them, even though they hardly know the manual and extra tricks.
Oh, it's an Oberheim sticker only.
It's the M Audio KS88. It's just too embarrassing to be seen with that name M Audio on stage, so I use the old stickers and add my own Yellow 1" marking tape for the knobs, sliders & buttons.
These controllers are so good I couldn't possibly even use another controller no matter what the price.
They have a great support forum too, but everything they make for controllers are built well. Their application of MIDI to their instruments has no competition IMHO.
Just don't buy anything else from them like their " sound cards " or stage synths.
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Re: Oberheim
I've seen these... Programming drum tracks and fast bass lines/arpegiated style ca ca, are not easy on semi-weighted controllers.
That's why I've stuck with my SY99. BUT! I have the crappy BCF & BCR for the fader/rotary control. I was referring to a midi joystick of some kind to do some filter/fx/modulation/sample based type of morphing for that VS style control. Is there any kind of joystick (without resorting to a game controller), out there...I have not spent a lot of time researching this as of yet...But, I'm gonna now..
That's why I've stuck with my SY99. BUT! I have the crappy BCF & BCR for the fader/rotary control. I was referring to a midi joystick of some kind to do some filter/fx/modulation/sample based type of morphing for that VS style control. Is there any kind of joystick (without resorting to a game controller), out there...I have not spent a lot of time researching this as of yet...But, I'm gonna now..
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Re: Oberheim
Novation makes a controller with a joystick...but not enough keys...
How about, a stand alone joystick controller..
http://us.novationmusic.com/products/mi ... /remote_sl
or one built in a 76 key controller w/ 2 mod wheels & joystick!!
How about, a stand alone joystick controller..
http://us.novationmusic.com/products/mi ... /remote_sl
or one built in a 76 key controller w/ 2 mod wheels & joystick!!
Joel
Re: Oberheim
Or a hardware Solaris synthesizer........ 
I also use a Kurzweil Ribbon controller even though Solaris has one.
I prefer a Multi Zone Ribbon with a long strip as opposed to the bandaid sized single zoned ones.
I got serious meat puppies for fingers and hate little bitty things like iPhones, iPods, Netbooks & Cell phones with QWERTY's........ain't happening.
For my surround Panner I bought this programmable Joystick from JLCooper, but it's not because of Vector synthesis, but high precison automations and surround work.
My newest apps such as PianoTeq 3.0, Kontakt 3.5 and XITE-1 are all surround capable so I will be seeing if I can handle it. I have enough troubles w/ stereo and a Sub. But this might be the way to go.
http://www.jlcooper.com/pages/mcspan.html
http://www.jlcooper.com/pages/mcsorb.html
I doubt you would want or need the motorized version, but just in case you wanted to see what they use in large video/mastering facilities.
I don't see why anyone could not use a game controller. They're cheap and will Vector waveforms around easily.
The fader Fox and Remote Zero are just too tiny for me.
The only reason I put up with the miniature knobs on the KS88 is because they are all assigned to various CC's inside of Scope and then attached to hardware expression pedals, footpedals and footswitches using Mehdi's CC devices. I just have to have them there to twist when I program them.
I use combinations of pedals, and have 4 x expressions, 4 x footswitches and 3 x sustains.
I have a roller rack w/ wheels and 10 slots that keep the pedals lined up. In between acts I have zero tear down time as I unplug and roll my rig to the sidefill area. Everyone in Vegas wants to use your stands and speakers, etc. I tell them to go buy their own gear. Drummers often do this and I think it is so Bush league. At least the keyboardists have their own keys, most of the time.
I have had many guys ask me to use my rig because they only need a Rhodes B3 and Piano...I haven't had a cushy gig like that for years, as I have to cover too many instruments.
These pedals aren't necessary for recording and editing, but I prefer using both hands and as many one takes as I can instead of so many overdubs and the twisting of little inaccurate knobs, which have to be edited anyway.
The BCF's and BCR's seem like great controllers, even though they are cheap. You should try an expression pedal and a CC2 / 5 or 8 from Mehdi, they're free......But they provide accurate controls of anything. They can take any little bitty plastic controller and add much more precision than using your fingers. I even use my arm on an expression pedal and can get the same accuracy as a drawing a curve, and can add that human touch that is practically impossible with curve draws. They are great for commercial fades, and generic perfectly timed filter sweeps,.. but I love using my ear at the same time as I overdub and it adds a surprise element instead of a scientific perfectly mathematical unsurprising approach.
Mehdi's mixers and devices w/ the Behringers and a couple of pedals would be a great way to use Scope stuff.
The Vector/Joystick thing is a matter of precision and needs. I will never buy a motorized one, as I have had motirized faders back in the DMP7 days and they are a pain in the ass.
Anyway when one were to look at my screen they would see motorized faders on my Scope mixer if they are into the posing thing. I can gang as many faders as I want on a SpaceF mixer, and in any combination. Sit back and watch 'em slide into place with the several Lag Time Processors he provides. There's talk of an 8 second lag time in the next versions.....
That's insane, but Ravel's Bolero actually has a 17 minute Crescendo.....
That was in the 1800's before sequencers were ever even thought of.
I also use a Kurzweil Ribbon controller even though Solaris has one.
I prefer a Multi Zone Ribbon with a long strip as opposed to the bandaid sized single zoned ones.
I got serious meat puppies for fingers and hate little bitty things like iPhones, iPods, Netbooks & Cell phones with QWERTY's........ain't happening.
For my surround Panner I bought this programmable Joystick from JLCooper, but it's not because of Vector synthesis, but high precison automations and surround work.
My newest apps such as PianoTeq 3.0, Kontakt 3.5 and XITE-1 are all surround capable so I will be seeing if I can handle it. I have enough troubles w/ stereo and a Sub. But this might be the way to go.
http://www.jlcooper.com/pages/mcspan.html
http://www.jlcooper.com/pages/mcsorb.html
I doubt you would want or need the motorized version, but just in case you wanted to see what they use in large video/mastering facilities.
I don't see why anyone could not use a game controller. They're cheap and will Vector waveforms around easily.
The fader Fox and Remote Zero are just too tiny for me.
The only reason I put up with the miniature knobs on the KS88 is because they are all assigned to various CC's inside of Scope and then attached to hardware expression pedals, footpedals and footswitches using Mehdi's CC devices. I just have to have them there to twist when I program them.
I use combinations of pedals, and have 4 x expressions, 4 x footswitches and 3 x sustains.
I have a roller rack w/ wheels and 10 slots that keep the pedals lined up. In between acts I have zero tear down time as I unplug and roll my rig to the sidefill area. Everyone in Vegas wants to use your stands and speakers, etc. I tell them to go buy their own gear. Drummers often do this and I think it is so Bush league. At least the keyboardists have their own keys, most of the time.
I have had many guys ask me to use my rig because they only need a Rhodes B3 and Piano...I haven't had a cushy gig like that for years, as I have to cover too many instruments.
These pedals aren't necessary for recording and editing, but I prefer using both hands and as many one takes as I can instead of so many overdubs and the twisting of little inaccurate knobs, which have to be edited anyway.
The BCF's and BCR's seem like great controllers, even though they are cheap. You should try an expression pedal and a CC2 / 5 or 8 from Mehdi, they're free......But they provide accurate controls of anything. They can take any little bitty plastic controller and add much more precision than using your fingers. I even use my arm on an expression pedal and can get the same accuracy as a drawing a curve, and can add that human touch that is practically impossible with curve draws. They are great for commercial fades, and generic perfectly timed filter sweeps,.. but I love using my ear at the same time as I overdub and it adds a surprise element instead of a scientific perfectly mathematical unsurprising approach.
Mehdi's mixers and devices w/ the Behringers and a couple of pedals would be a great way to use Scope stuff.
The Vector/Joystick thing is a matter of precision and needs. I will never buy a motorized one, as I have had motirized faders back in the DMP7 days and they are a pain in the ass.
Anyway when one were to look at my screen they would see motorized faders on my Scope mixer if they are into the posing thing. I can gang as many faders as I want on a SpaceF mixer, and in any combination. Sit back and watch 'em slide into place with the several Lag Time Processors he provides. There's talk of an 8 second lag time in the next versions.....
That's insane, but Ravel's Bolero actually has a 17 minute Crescendo.....
That was in the 1800's before sequencers were ever even thought of.
Re: Oberheim
Hey Jimmy, have you ever tried the Haken Continuum?
http://www.hakenaudio.com/Continuum/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrmp2EaVChI
My Roland D50 has a joystick control - not sure if it outputs over MIDI though.
Also the Elka MK88 (no longer made
) is probably the best combination of whighted 88 note keyboard, including PP, with LOTS of MIDI controllers!
Eric.
http://www.hakenaudio.com/Continuum/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrmp2EaVChI
My Roland D50 has a joystick control - not sure if it outputs over MIDI though.
Also the Elka MK88 (no longer made
) is probably the best combination of whighted 88 note keyboard, including PP, with LOTS of MIDI controllers!Eric.
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Re: Oberheim
The JL Cooper joystick looks amazing, & it interfaces w/ DAW software...good one...
I'll give them a try...it's exactly what I was looking for...to control Vector synthesis & surround parameters!
Thanks Jimmy
I'll give them a try...it's exactly what I was looking for...to control Vector synthesis & surround parameters!
Thanks Jimmy
Joel
Re: Oberheim
Joel,netguyjoel wrote:Xpander, Matrix 12, 4 voice? I'm hearing rumblings of an Oberheim hardware comeback in 2010???
Tom came by the Solaris booth at NAMM and told me he was planning to make the SEM again! This is the only real Oberheim hardware comeback that has been announced.
Cheers,
John B.
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Re: Oberheim
That's what I heard too!!! 2, 4 voice??? rack mount...keyboard....this is great news, confirmed!!!
Joel
Re: Oberheim
Joel, it's just his SEM (Synthesizer Expander Module) that he started with. It's an extremely flexible monophonic synth in a "slanted cube" shape. Modifications by drilling and installing jacks made this a real user-configurable modular module. You can see it here:
http://www.vintagesynth.com/oberheim/sem.php
His first polyphonic units were made up of 2, 4, or 8 of these modules packaged in larger cabinets.
-john b.
http://www.vintagesynth.com/oberheim/sem.php
His first polyphonic units were made up of 2, 4, or 8 of these modules packaged in larger cabinets.
-john b.
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Re: Oberheim
Does this mean, I'm gonna be buying 4 or 8 of these and ad-hocing my own rack, or trying to find a CV to gate midi interface to get a keyboard to work w/ it, or build my own 4 or 8 voice.... I will......I mean it......I'm willing, and able!!!???
I will......I mean it......I'm willing, and able!!!???Joel
Re: Oberheim
You got juice w/ the Studio Electronics guys right...?
Tell them a polyphonic SE-1 using their 3 x Oscillator design will sell well even during an Asteroid/Armeggedon scenario.....
The reason why Solaris sounds so freakin' FAT is becuase of 4 x Oscillators.
Now if an Analog PolySynth would use 3 or 4 like the old MemoryMoog's had..................hmm.
Synths that need chorusing as an effect just sound so VSTish to me.
Natural detuning is the way to get FAT. Then make it even bigger w/ a quality delay.
But I am just a whiner from the old days who finds nothing desirable about VA's unless they're made by another old FAT Bastard lover.
Tell them a polyphonic SE-1 using their 3 x Oscillator design will sell well even during an Asteroid/Armeggedon scenario.....
The reason why Solaris sounds so freakin' FAT is becuase of 4 x Oscillators.
Now if an Analog PolySynth would use 3 or 4 like the old MemoryMoog's had..................hmm.
Synths that need chorusing as an effect just sound so VSTish to me.
Natural detuning is the way to get FAT. Then make it even bigger w/ a quality delay.
But I am just a whiner from the old days who finds nothing desirable about VA's unless they're made by another old FAT Bastard lover.