That good old RB-338
This is my personal litlle utopia..
ReBirth is one of my fetish pieces of software, and dreamt to have it on SFP since I got my powerPulsar
Since it has been released by propellerheads as free (as in beer) software, I ask myself it if woudl be of any harm to them if a "DSP powered clone" appeared on the nature... it has a sooooooo simple UI that even a nerd like me could make use of it...
I'm a totally noob (ultra totally noob) with SDK, but I saw that every component of the RB-338 has alrady been done (TB-303+pattern sequencer, 800 and 909, delay...); so I believe it would be possible to model it.
thoughts?
R.
ReBirth is one of my fetish pieces of software, and dreamt to have it on SFP since I got my powerPulsar
Since it has been released by propellerheads as free (as in beer) software, I ask myself it if woudl be of any harm to them if a "DSP powered clone" appeared on the nature... it has a sooooooo simple UI that even a nerd like me could make use of it...
I'm a totally noob (ultra totally noob) with SDK, but I saw that every component of the RB-338 has alrady been done (TB-303+pattern sequencer, 800 and 909, delay...); so I believe it would be possible to model it.
thoughts?
R.
Agreed, but using samples on some of the sounds would free up dsp resources (especially for the drums that are only samples in the first place on the 909). As long as the tone controls, etc are properly emulated it shouldn't make a noticable difference to a lot of the sounds. For instance Fahrenheit on the Chameleon uses samples and yet it performs well against the best of 808 & 909 clones (Drumstation, Jomox etc). AFAIK Rebirth uses samples also.
of course sound-wise samples are as good as analog generated srums ounds, but you loose the modulation from free oscillators...On 2006-08-23 10:50, sharc wrote:
Agreed, but using samples on some of the sounds would free up dsp resources (especially for the drums that are only samples in the first place on the 909). As long as the tone controls, etc are properly emulated it shouldn't make a noticable difference to a lot of the sounds. For instance Fahrenheit on the Chameleon uses samples and yet it performs well against the best of 808 & 909 clones (Drumstation, Jomox etc). AFAIK Rebirth uses samples also.
Every Clap on a real 909 sounds slightly other than the next one....
and yes I d also like to see some modeled 808, 909 and 303
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: hifiboom on 2006-08-25 11:52 ]</font>
Not necessarily if you convert drum samples to wavetables which is how some of the existing 808 & 909 'clones' are implemented as far as I know.On 2006-08-23 15:15, hifiboom wrote:
of course sound-wise samples are as good as analog generated drum sounds, but you loose the modulation from free oscillators...
*Actual* 8o8 & 9o9 samples might be ok if it's a free device, but Rol*nd's lawyers would be onto anything commercial (for sale) in a flash which uses actual samples of the originals. For a purely sample based device a 'clone' (drumstation or fahrenheit) would need to be 'unofficially' sampled. Again, with a 'modelled' device there shouldn't be a problem (AFAIK) if it's free, but commercial devices would be at risk of breaking copyright & or patent laws if I'm not mistaken.
I just had to.. Clap in TR-909 is a sample. There are analog controls for it, but the sound is a sample. Roland TR-909 is a hybrid machine. Hihats. claps, crash, ride and some other sounds are samples, Bass drum, toms and some others are synthesized.hifiboom wrote:
Every Clap on a real 909 sounds slightly other than the next one....
Every clap in actual TR-909 does not sound a little different in a way every bass drum does. It sounds slightly different in a way a sampled instrument played through envelope generator and eq / filter would. No phase alteration, no drifting of the oscillators, none of that.
And that is "slightly" in a way us mortals can't tell. Really.
Still, TR-909 is agreat drum machine. And RB 338 does a good job emulating it. And if you have ever used "skins" for rb 338 you know a lot of them had replacement drumsounds for "909" included.
Edit: I forgot to add the original reason I strated to write this message:
Propellerheads had Roland's permission to sell ReBirth and use Roland's machine's names and sounds. It was not discontinued because of legal issues.
Propellerheads stated the time has past ReBirth. And they are right.
If it was for legal reasons, do you honestly think Roland would allow them to give it away for free as they do now?
Don't take my word for it, download it yourself:
http://www.rebirthmuseum.com/
For free, no questions asked. No Roland lawyers banging your door. =)
No it is not! The sound can be viewed as the result of lots of people clapping nearly all at once, and is actually produced on the TR909 by passing white noise through a band-pass filter. Two envelopes are used on a VCA; one is a repeating sawtooth-shaped envelope, to produce the 'lots of people clapping nearly all at once' sound, while the other envelope has a long decay to produce the reverb. This sharp, hollow sound is another that the Roland boxes make in a way that simply nothing else doesJoat wrote:
I just had to.. Clap in TR-909 is a sample. There are analog controls for it, but the sound is a sample.
I just had to...
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Re: That good old RB-338
use the real RB-338 the pulsar isn't that Sound at all ....
you want a good Tb303 Get Orbiton 303 Recommended
you want a good Tb303 Get Orbiton 303 Recommended