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Synth drift

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:31 am
by Sormast
Hi to everyone. Synthesizers (MiniMax, U K. 007...) drift (especially noticeable on high bpm). Treated? Sampler does not want. How will the people ever bass (and all other) on analog use? Floats awful

Re: Synth drift

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:31 pm
by djmicron
what do you mean?
Very difficult to understand for a non english.

Re: Synth drift

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 4:05 pm
by siriusbliss
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Re: Synth drift

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:57 pm
by hubird
@sormast, you panic? because of bad midi timing in your setup?

Re: Synth drift

Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:35 am
by Sormast
hubird wrote:@sormast, you panic? because of bad midi timing in your setup?
sorry for my bad English. matter in bad synchronization is possible. what it is necessary to put in settings? thanks

Re: Synth drift

Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:09 am
by t_tangent
Try changing Timecode Source > MIDI Timecode to Internal Timecode. Maybe that what you mean but it is hard to understand what you want. But I hope that helps.

Re: Synth drift

Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:17 am
by Sormast
t_tangent wrote:Try changing Timecode Source > MIDI Timecode to Internal Timecode. Maybe that what you mean but it is hard to understand what you want. But I hope that helps.
It is obligatory for MIDI Device to create? Because without it mistiming. Internal Timecode should be adjusted or to leave by default?

Re: Synth drift

Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:05 pm
by djmicron
what do you need midi timecode for?

for kick me and minimax it's not needed.

For other tools such as arpeg02, you only need midi clock and there isn't a timecode option, so better you don't send timecode where it is not required.

You don't need to add scope devices as external instruments, it's enough to control them over midi ports from the sequencer.

Re: Synth drift

Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:32 pm
by Sormast
djmicron wrote:what do you need midi timecode for?

for kick me and minimax it's not needed.

For other tools such as arpeg02, you only need midi clock and there isn't a timecode option, so better you don't send timecode where it is not required.

You don't need to add scope devices as external instruments, it's enough to control them over midi ports from the sequencer.
Without MIDI Device at tools mistiming. Shift to the right

Re: Synth drift

Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:39 pm
by garyb
did you check "use system timestamp" in the midi menu in Cubase?

Re: Synth drift

Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:54 pm
by Sormast
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Re: Synth drift

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:46 am
by Sormast
One more problem. Analog has to behave so?People sample analog? It is impossible because to work

Re: Synth drift

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:14 am
by djmicron
sorry Sormast, it is still unclear to me which problem you are having.

The sample you uploaded is around 145.7 bpm and has some randomness in the attack of the sound.

If the bpm is ok, then the randomness in the attack can be caused by different factors.

I encountered a similar problem when midi notes were doubled and the scope synth was set to 1 voice of polyphony, then i discovered that my master keyboard was sending the same midi notes twice due to a wrong setup, so disabled that function, solved the problem.

It would be useful if you tell us how is your setup, daw(cubase i guess), audio driver, samplerate, how you record or create midi parts, how you record the audio, etc.

Re: Synth drift

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:49 pm
by Sormast
djmicron wrote:sorry Sormast, it is still unclear to me which problem you are having.

The sample you uploaded is around 145.7 bpm and has some randomness in the attack of the sound.

If the bpm is ok, then the randomness in the attack can be caused by different factors.

I encountered a similar problem when midi notes were doubled and the scope synth was set to 1 voice of polyphony, then i discovered that my master keyboard was sending the same midi notes twice due to a wrong setup, so disabled that function, solved the problem.

It would be useful if you tell us how is your setup, daw(cubase i guess), audio driver, samplerate, how you record or create midi parts, how you record the audio, etc.
tell please about that problem in more detail. how to disconnect. this that is possible.
daw - cubase, audio driver - scope asio, samplerate - 44.100, midi - "External instruments", next MIDI Device (without the out-of-sync).

Re: Synth drift

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:25 pm
by t_tangent
Edited as my reply was irrelevant and it seems garyb has replied to the op question. :)

Re: Synth drift

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:25 pm
by garyb
i never use external instruments settings and i use midi in Cubase from Scope all the time.

Re: Synth drift

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:43 pm
by dante
Yeah scope can do that routing no need to do it in Cubase

Re: Synth drift

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:16 pm
by Mr Arkadin
Here's how my Project Sync Set-up window looks. Also, do not use External Instruments.

Re: Synth drift

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:28 am
by Sormast
Mr Arkadin wrote:Here's how my Project Sync Set-up window looks. Also, do not use External Instruments.
If not External Instruments.. how? I want to use a mixer Cubase. thank you

Re: Synth drift

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:26 am
by Mr Arkadin
Personally I never use Cubase's mixer. I route via ASIO from Cubase into a Scope mixer. You can plug all your Scope synths and effects into the Scope mixer. You can then feed the result back into Cubase for recording. There is no latency this way.

Have you adjusted the ULLI in Scope:Set>Settings>ULLI for a low setting?