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I Get Over 500 Tracks of Audio Playback!

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I stopped the test after 500 tracks.

Scope 5 64 bit 7 ms latency at 24 bit 44.1 Khz.
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Playing together ??? Did you destroyed your speakers ?
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JoPo wrote:Playing together ??? Did you destroyed your speakers ?

Yes playing together. As I added tracks, I turned down the master fader but it was not a huge increase in volume.
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sound like enough for this year.. 4k screen is hot.. i guess 4k tracks is the next "thing"
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Re: I Get Over 500 Tracks of Audio Playback!

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I guess it's time for me to finally move up to 48 Khz.
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braincell wrote:I guess it's time for me to finally move up to 48 Khz.
If it's for media reasons then fine (I still like to burn a CD so stick to 44.1), but if it's for audio reasons I really wouldn't bother: I doubt there'll be any perceptible difference. Try it by all means though.

I doubt even Queen or Muse needed 500 tracks on their recordings.
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braincell wrote:I guess it's time for me to finally move up to 48 Khz.
I have acutally moved down from 48kHz to 44.1kHz. Since the Creamware Noah EX don't support anything else then 44.1 and i connect it by using ADAT.


However about sonical differences, i am sure they are there.. however i put the finger into the ground and realize that there is much i need to fix/learn before 48khz will "help" my productions in quality :).

I will rejoice the day when people on the street say .. "yea.. after ehasting converted into 48khz, his sound have been soo much better"... until then i will stick with whatever my gears forces me to :P.
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@Braincell and kept Hyperthreading on for the test... ;)
as I already wrote to you I use 22 ms latency, and probably I will never go so huge with
audio tracks, even if with my hybrid-orchestral stuff can reach 100.

Just wav tracks? didn't tried with some VSTinstrument as well?

a Sandy Bridge? I thought your CPU was an Ivy Bridge one...

which BIOS version have you on the MSI board?
the one that came with it or updated?

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I use 48 Khz since years.
I started using 48 Khz when I got a DAT recorder... since that I always kept it,
and didn't worried about hearing too much differences compared to 44.1 Khz with my ears or not.
But with classical music I heard some roughness in instruments like violins...
and when the brother of my friend made me listening to some recordings in 48 Khz (rare things classical music on DAT tapes at that time) I heard much less roughness of those instruments.

Well, there are many, included Bob Katz, that say that 48 Khz is better than 44.1 for mastering processes,
like because mastering plugins put their "dirt" in the highest frequencies available in the files... so when you cut down to 44.1, a lot of that garba is thrown away.
Of course following this thinking 88.1 and 96 Khz would be even better.
Yes, 48 Khz stresses your DAW system more than 44.1, but not too much...
I tried also 96 Khz for some time... than I went back to 48.

48 Khz is useful for putting your stuff on audio dvd, or other medias being not CDs.
Anyway I don't find really reasons to to stick to 44.1 even if you do normal CDs:
it's years that dithering plugins are very good at doing their conversions.
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That is a good question. I do not remember if I updated the BIOS. I did install the motherboard drivers. Sandy Bridge is the correct cpu because I checked with the store records.

VSTi instruments load samples partially into the RAM so you should be able to get much more samples that way. At least the good ones do.

I do remember now that DAT tapes at 48 sounded better. A few DAT tapes with music were sold.
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i still use 44.1 for recording as if you use the other formats when putting to cd audio

it has to be dithered and noise is used to do that

i used to record to dat for 48khz for dubplates

but john dent who is one of the only masters left that i know for dub plate vinyl

just told me to record in 44.1

and keep the frequency range at max 16khz

which also causes less aliasing

i really dont understand when people record 24bit 96khz for certain types of audio instrument recordings

like the scarbee bass theres no piont as its frequency range is well below that and just wasting memory

you only need high sample rates for high frequencies

like hi hats or cymbals as if you dont you get distortion and crunchiness but the 12bit era people liked to do that by sampling at lower rates and bit depths

to get that dirty sound

its also why the 8bit and 12bit samplers hard ware market is thriving because reduced bit depths in the software versions just dont sound the same
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If you record at 24 bits, you can use more effects, raise the gain etc without adding as much noise.
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Back on topic:
in Masterverb test thread you wrote i7 Ivy Bridge 3.4 gigahertz 8 mb cache,
that's why I supposed that CPU and not a Sandy Bridge...
well, whatever.

Having found some of the posts/topics where some of the bad PCI performance problems were reported, could you please make a last test for me? :)
Using the 02 project I sent you, putting the Minimax (it has already the send on the second Masterverb PRO) on 2 notes and make it play something in cycle?
Someone reported of any problems with Masterverb test but then had PCI error warnings when playing polyphonically even just one Scope synth.
I can make you a midifile if you don't want to make the sequence yourself.
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Sorry about that error. It is Sandy Bridge but they are essentially the same according to Gary.

I will do the test with many notes on the Minimax with loop on.
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Concerning the MSI Z77a G43 Board I found in a photo in a review that as all 1155 non native PCI boards it also has
an Asmedia 1083 chip to bridge PCIE to legacy PCI.
Now this in itself points to the same issues we have seen on other boards BUT proper implementation can make
a difference .
So I ,like Polarity, am Very interested in Braincell's results.


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please, do you have the link to that review?
so I can learn how to recognize these PCI-e to legacy PCI bridge chips.
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Somehow, I do not think it is 500 tracks running between Cubase and Scope.
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Last photo to the left ,to the left of the first legacy PCI bus (the one that is alone), you can see the chip.
http://www.madshrimps.be/articles/artic ... z2IDixEjrO

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Thankyou.
It's a detailed review...
so it's that one... (before I guessed it was the one on the right near the coupled PCI slots).
it's very near to PCI slot 1...

I looked some other mobos review on the same site.
I saw that Asrock Z68 has the same chipset but it's not equally near the slot and not on the same side (can't understand though if it's slot 1 or 2).

Two Z77 Gigabytes mobos instead have a different chipset near the PCI slots: ITE.

So, it's not always the same.

What really I don't understand is why MSI should put 3 legacy PCI slots if then they wouldn't work with high end cards...
It's stupid... PCI-express has plenty of bandwith...
and putting just a PCI-e videocard and a Pulsar only should work.
I could understand in case someone uses all PCI-express slots and then pretends full bandwith with legacy PCI too... :roll:
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I have tried also a Asus P8 B75 V which is supposed to have native PCI
support but it had a low count (4-5 Masteverbs)and I just used it for something else
I just didnt have the time t fiddle with it ...at all.
I use a P8B WS which gives 6-7 but is a professional piece of equipment BUT
only 1 PCI .
I Wish Braincell gets some solid results ....

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well, if he has got 12 Masterverb with (9 DSPs) without errors is a good start point.
considering also he's using Windows 8.

With my old quadcore Q6600 mobo I got only 8 Masterverb (reaching PCI capacity limits loading the 9th one) at 48 Khz...
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