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Hi,

Dell T3500 -x5675-12GB-2x1TB-Win7Pro
2xPulsar II - A16u
2xUAD1

Error on loading 10th

Here I get 10 x Masterverb X on the XITE-1D @ 44Khz. This is an i9 9900 processor on a Z390 Aorus Pro WiFi board. DSP meters at about 1/3 capacity.

dante wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:12 pm Here I get 10 x Masterverb X on the XITE-1D @ 44Khz. This is an i9 9900 processor on a Z390 Aorus Pro WiFi board. DSP meters at about 1/3 capacity.

I understood, Masterverb test doesn´t matter on XITE,- no ?

I got 60 on XITE-1 !
IIRC, Dawman came up w/ the same result before ...



Bud

I got lots, but remembered you need the routing connected so the effect is in actual use.
What’s funny is my favorite performance live rig with the ASRock H97, I only get 7, but Z97’s are 9/10 instances connected.

Hell I’ve been doing these crazy tests for years, don’t seem to mean jack shit.
But loading 60 of them unconnected is impressive looking coming from a PCI Pulsar Project Card where 5 or 6 was pushing it.

Yes, from what I understand this test is only a standard of comparison of different motherboards to measure (sort of) the PCI bandwith to use with the PCI boards only. I think this is useful info concerning systems that reach a "PCI Capacity" error message before reaching a DSP limit.
With the Xite we have a similar dilemma by reaching a "No more SAT connections" limit before reaching a DSP limit.
I wonder if someone might draft up a SAT connections test on the Xite if that is in fact connected to the design of the motherboard.
That would help us when selecting a new motherboard.

SAT connections are a function of the dsps, not the motherboard.
use the dsp map floating around here.

all resources are limited.

Bud Weiser wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 5:16 pm

dante wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:12 pm Here I get 10 x Masterverb X on the XITE-1D @ 44Khz. This is an i9 9900 processor on a Z390 Aorus Pro WiFi board. DSP meters at about 1/3 capacity.

I understood, Masterverb test doesn´t matter on XITE,- no ?

No idea other than its not PCI related of course.... Its the same number I had on my previous mobo.

garyb wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 8:11 am use the dsp map floating around here.

DSP Map here https://www.scopeusers.com/ScopeRise/is ... temast.htm under DSP Layout graphical

dante wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 1:53 pm No idea other than its not PCI related of course.... Its the same number I had on my previous mobo.

Which is/was?

As for my modern results on this with Scope 7, 2x Pulsar2's (12 DSP): 15 Masterverbs

I get this result for both my Dual 2008 era (Harpertown era SuperMicro X7DWA-n) Xeon & my 2001 era Dual (Prestonia era SuperMicro P4DC6+) Xeon rigs both get up to 15 Masterverbs in a project that has audio routed from an analog in, to each Masterverb and then to a Micromixer set to 16 stereo channels (connected to analog out again). 16th Masterverb causes both a DSP error (DSP meter 1 'notch' from full) and then a PCI overflow message when I ok out of the 2 dsp warnings.

My AMD rigs were done with 10 dsps, as 1 of the cards was gen1. Back then I used to get 10-12 masterverbs depending on system, so the Pulsar2 did improve performance it seems.

valis wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 2:41 pm

dante wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 1:53 pm No idea other than its not PCI related of course.... Its the same number I had on my previous mobo.

Which is/was?

10 (reported in this thread 1/may )

Gotcha, sorry was being lazy.

ASUS H370-PLUS, 2 SCOPE boards (14 DSP ea) running at 44.1, 11 Masterverbs, PCI overflow on 12

Jez wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:37 am ASUS H370-PLUS, 2 SCOPE boards (14 DSP ea) running at 44.1, 11 Masterverbs, PCI overflow on 12

Not bad - thank you !
Which is your "master-card" (w/ the physical I/O plate you use) and sits in which PCI slot of that mobo ?
You know,- I´d like to see a test w/ a single PCI card inserted in each one of the 2 available PCI slot at a time and w/ this mobo.
And,- I also know I cannot demand to do that,- but it would be very interesting !



best

Bud

ASUS PRIME B460 PLUS, SCOPE 2+LUNA, 48kHz. Run out of DSP at 12th masterverb but also receive PCI bandwidth message.

Interesting...

I have an old A-bit IC7 Intel 875-based pentium-4@2.8GHz machine w. 5 PCI slots.
Currently populated with a Pulsar II + 2 x Luna (3 cards, 12 DSPs total).
Machine is running Win XP 32-bit (it's a 32-bit CPU!), no internet. Scope 5.1.

I can run 15 Masterverbs before running out of DSP power (trying to add the 16th).
No hint of PCI probs... Maybe old-school Intel boards work well?

(and just to be sure, this is Masterverb, not Classic or Pro, yes?)

Nice 875 rig.

Yes, lot's of PCI slots (and seemingly also performance).

Unfortunately, the PCB designer at A-Bit chose to put the audio chip next to PCI slot 3 (red circle).

And apparently, the audio chip needs Electrolyte Capacitors just next to the chip sticking up from the board.
And a front panel audio connector next to PCI slot 2 (green circle).
And the internal-audio CD connector next to PCI slot 1 (red circle).

This means that "low-riding cards", ie. cards that extendes close to the PCB, like the Pulsar 2, can't sit in those slots!
Pulsar 2 has a bunch of ADAT connectors that means it is a low-rider.
So it physically only fits in slots 4 and 5.

The documentation states that the board with most DSPs should sit in the lowest numbered PCI slot.
(So that the default mixer module goes on that board, IIRC.)
This is unfortunately not possible, as the Pulsar 2 must sit in slot 4 or 5 (4 in the picture above).
Luna in slot 3, Pulsar in slot 4, Luna in slot 5.

So I played around with entries in the cset.ini file, until I got board 1 in the DSP list to be the 6-DSP one.
Whether this solves the problem, I don't know. But it seems to work.

messing with the cset has not really been necessary since v4 or so. just use the cards where they fit.

Aaah. I was reading the v4.1 paper manual I had lying about from back when...
Although I did manage to reassign the board-order, I'll stop fiddling with the cset.ini if it makes no difference

I will want a new motherboard soon and as always I am looking for one that plays nice with my Scope cards!

This thread is great but it's full of pre-historic motherboards!
To help me compare, I've added some of the more recent posts to this thread to a table here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

I've set edit rights to public on this page so please feel free to add your motherboard to the table.
This makes it easier to see which are Scope-compatible "current" motherboards.

As of today, it looks like the front-runner is the ASUS PRIME B460 PLUS, but if people continue to use the table when they upgrade their PCs then we will always know what the latest recommended motherboard is.

Hope this is helpful : )