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Ok, thanks again Garyb, today I seriously tried the SCOPE mode with external effects and external synths of Cubase (new song ).
Seems pretty the same as XTC but with more flexibility but more routing and more files to "reecall".
In SCOPE mode it seems to be more stable, but still having PCI alarm after few devices, mostly with "multi effects", "masterverb" and "Optimaster", but I'm not sure thta it's all, I still have to try others devices.
I still believe that this MB model has some issues with PCI... what a shame.

64bit scope 5.1 works fine in xtc mode in 32bit audio host software...

pranza wrote:64bit scope 5.1 works fine in xtc mode in 32bit audio host software...

That's amazing
Thanks for the info Pranza.

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA H97 HD3
CPU: Intel Core i5-4590
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 7880
RAM: 16 Gigabytes
Windows 7 64 bit

Pulsar II + Powersampler

DSP maxed out on 11 Masterverbs without PCI overflow

I think the boards quite like this new "home"!

Just finish build new home for my 1 Pulsar II, this is the result:

Intel i7 4790k
Gygabyte GA-Z97 D3H
32 BG ram Corsair 1600mhz CL9
SSD Samsung 840 pro 256 for System
1 Pulsar II
Win7 64

With blank project and only with Masterverb i can load 9 Masterverb, wiith 10 i have the PCI overflow message. With my old system (P4 intel 2.4ghz dual core with Gygabyte 965P-DQ6) i have exactly same result!

I'm very happy at the moment ^^, now is time for BIOS and Win7 optimization..

P.S. sorry my English is very bad
P.P.S. please give us 5.2 software with bugfix that users have discovered since 5.1

Not a big fan of MasterVerb tests, but am a big fan of the old Conroe Dual Core E8600 CPU.
I think the less cores you have the better real time performance you get.
These 4/8/12 core CPUs just let you run more crap.

I bet the old Dual Core laptops with an XITE-1 would be a great FOH/DAW.

dawman wrote:Not a big fan of MasterVerb tests, but am a big fan of the old Conroe Dual Core E8600 CPU.
I think the less cores you have the better real time performance you get.
These 4/8/12 core CPUs just let you run more crap.

Yes, syncing cores takes a lot of CPU cycles.
In ~2006, when you went from single core to dual core CPU, the benefit of speed was about 70-80%.
When you went from dual core to early quad core processors (Core2Quad Q6600 p.ex.), the benefit was about 20-30% compared to the dual core.
The values might vary a bit depending on processor types, motherboards used and tasks, but there´ some truth still existing w/ todays processor upgrades.

DualCore processors are really good for realtime performance, also playing native VSTis,- but samplers w/ DFD do benefit from QuadCore processors !
I also think before going to more than 4 cores, better go from dual channel RAM to quad channel RAM 1st by switching mobo sockets, let´say socket 1150 > socket 2011,- then use a hex-core socket 2011 processor.

I´m don´t know how many audio applications really benefit from more than 4 cores or can handle 6 or 8 cores well.

dawman wrote: I bet the old Dual Core laptops with an XITE-1 would be a great FOH/DAW.

Yes, the faster Intel Core2Duo T-series proccessors are a good choice, T9600 (2.8GHz/6MB cache) - T9900 (3.06GHz) are excellent options, but you have to find ´em in a laptop w/o cooling problems when setting up the OS for highest sustained performance.
But such rig is able to run Reason or any DAW w/ some VSTis in addition to SCOPE too.
You might have to replace the HDD because most in laptops are 5.400rpm only.

Look what was in a Macbook Pro some years ago,- Intel Core2Duo T9300, 2.5GHz / 6MB cache,- and these ran Logic Audio Platinum incl. all the virtual modelling instruments (EVP88 /EVB3/EVD6), EXS24 sampler, AU synths and Reason rewired in addition, not to forget to mention Logic´s mixer, insert- and aux- FX.
I´d really like to work w/ one of these because they don´t run too hot, but it´s Mac OS X and we don´t have SCOPE 6 for OS X.

Sad.

Bud

That's a good bit of info about the cores and verifies what I've been experiencing.

I have a dual core processor and it flies but when I use the sample based vsts like Kontakt,
which uses DFD, it starts to fall over.

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA H97 D3H
CPU: Intel Core i5-4460
Graphics: onboard
RAM: 8 Gigabytes
Windows 7 64 bit

Pulsar II + Luna2

Loaded 11 masterverbs and ran out of DSP on loading 12th
PCI bandwidth did not max out still

Asus Z87-K motherboard
Intel 4770k CPU

I can only load 3 MasterVerbs on my 3 Scope Pro system

They're all 2nd gen.

Will this affect synth performace? Cause I can load like seven 6 poly Minimaxes just fine.

Thank,

-Tom

tlaskows wrote:Asus Z87-K motherboard
Intel 4770k CPU

I can only load 3 MasterVerbs on my 3 Scope Pro system

They're all 2nd gen.

Will this affect synth performace? Cause I can load like seven 6 poly Minimaxes just fine.

Thank,

-Tom

Win 7 64 bit Scope 5.1

tlaskows wrote:Asus Z87-K motherboard
Intel 4770k CPU

I can only load 3 MasterVerbs on my 3 Scope Pro system

They're all 2nd gen.

Will this affect synth performace? Cause I can load like seven 6 poly Minimaxes just fine.

Thank,

-Tom

either the motherboard is not working correctly, or there's a 1st generation Scope card in the mix.

Hi Gary

Yeah, at one point I was able to get at least 11 MasterVerbs, but I think that was with my Pulsar II and a Scope Pro.

All the cards are manufactured on or after 2003 according to the serial number stickers. I guess I can try just 1 then 2 at a time... But only one card has the Scope 5.1 key, so I guess I can't...

I will try it with just the main licensed card then. I'm getting 4ms latency at 44.1k with that one so it's probably gen 2?

Thanks,

-Tom

garyb wrote:

tlaskows wrote:Asus Z87-K motherboard
Intel 4770k CPU

I can only load 3 MasterVerbs on my 3 Scope Pro system

They're all 2nd gen.

Will this affect synth performace? Cause I can load like seven 6 poly Minimaxes just fine.

Thank,

-Tom

either the motherboard is not working correctly, or there's a 1st generation Scope card in the mix.

something's going on if that's the case. that system should do better than that.

by the way, if one of the cards is gen2, then you get low latency, even if both of the others are not gen2. the older cards look a little different, though. i don't doubt you. i'm sure you should know. 3 is surely a bad result. that's in a totally empty project?

Hi Gary,

Two cards are from 2003 and one is from 2005. I swear I had better results in the past, I'm not sure what's changed. I've tried different PCI slot without any improvement. All the cards look the same except for the different plates. I took out my PoCo, There's only UAD-2 in there but that's on PCI-e. Right, I heard that a gen 2 card bring the latency down.

Thanks,

-Tom

And yes it's with an empty project...

Okay, I just tried with a single card. Getting low latency, so it's probably gen 2. I can only load 2 MasterVerbs now

Something is seriously wrong...

-Tom

yeah, it's on the PC end of things....

have you done a bios update or anything similar lately?
perhaps the motherboard is not working properly.

Okay Gary,

I will experiment and post if I figure it out. It may help other users.

I did not change anything for a while.

I installed the chipset drivers for the motherboard and still the same results. Something must be configured wrong with the motherboard. I saw some other users reporting this exact motherboard working fine, that's why I'm puzzled.

Maybe a BIOS update will actually help. We'll see.

Thanks,

-Tom