B-2003 has arrived

inDSP Frank · Post by **inDSP Frank** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:44 pm

http://www.creamware.de/en/Products/Sof ... efault.asp

This time you should really listen to the MP3 sound examples... have fun!

petal · Post by **petal** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 3:07 pm

Finally..... Cool samples for your great instruments!

Thomas

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 4:04 pm

i notice it says there's an audio input on this. i'm actually tempted to get this just for effects use, with a B-3 thrown in. i was thinking of getting the Akai Rotator VSTi for my Mellotron sounds, but that's £100, for about £38 more i get a B3 and you can use vibrato too. Bargain. Like the 'age' feature, from New to Repair, and the drawbar leakage. Looks like a lot of detail has gone into this. How long does the special price last?

siberiansun · Post by **siberiansun** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 7:50 pm

sounded good! (of course)

excuse me for being an idiot but is there ANY way to control leslie speed from mod wheel?
i sure didn't get it to work but if there IS a way then i better save up some $ real quick....

bosone · Post by **bosone** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 3:42 am

it's great!

the sound is very good, but IMVHO to be competitive with Native instruments B4 the price should be lowered... (but i don't want to start a flame!!!!)
(however the competition is only on the price, NOT on the sound!!

)

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 4:29 am

Special price 198€ will last till July 31/03.
Can anybody compare it with the NI-B4?

Edit: Oh sorry bosone, I was too fast with my reading.

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bassdude · Post by **bassdude** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 7:15 am

Man! I think I'm getting this. You can almost here the fingernails hitting the keys. WOW!
But the leslie control and sound is going to be very important. I think I know what you are after siberiansun because I'm after the same thing.

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 10:50 am

This thing sounds great (as usual) and the demo's are actually pretty good this time around

It's just that I can't play the keyboard at all so it would be a bit pointless to buy this, but who knows...this sound is really cool, and I think it wouldn't sound bad in dance productions either.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 6:31 pm

then this is your chance, King of Snake !
I once saw Steve Winwood playing a B3 live - amazing that so few keypresses can sound so impressive

If someone really falls in love with the sound and wants to play it with a more authentic feel, here's a suggestion for the proper input: for about $100 2nd hand the Yamaha HC-2/4 home organs (not as bulky as most of the 'furnitures') have 2 manuals and a bass pedal with midi support on 3 channels plus amp, speaker, rythm section and the usual stuff

cheers, Tom

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 6:53 pm

You can assign the leslie speed knob to any midi controller, as any other parameter. of course it works as the original, with two positions (fast-slow) and a gradual acceleration when switching. the two velocities and other parameters of the leslie can be set in detail.

This device is fantastic.

bosone · Post by **bosone** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 2:28 am

why on B3000 2 dsp can handle 96 voices and on other synths polyphony is so limited? is there a chance to see other devices with so high poliphony and so low dsp usage?
are CW developers beginning to optimize the code?

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 4:58 am

this has me puzzled as well. It must have somthing to do with the nature of the emulation but I can't really figure out in what way this would be different from, say, the minimax...

inDSP Frank · Post by **inDSP Frank** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:31 am

Polyphony is in the model. While the B4 uses wavetable samples, our B2003 emulates the tonewheels and the "mechanics" of the original instrument. You will notice that our approach provides more of the feel and the sound of the original. It takes two DSPs to precisely emulate the entire organ, so, like the original, the emulation has 96 voices. It is just an entirely different approach than analog synthesis.

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 11:22 am

Yes -- it's much harder to emulate analog saw waves with the millions of harmonics than it is to emulate a few sine waves.

Shayne

ericr · Post by **ericr** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 4:05 pm

How do you set the number of voices in the B2003 demo. I've heard it's set automatically? but I only seem to get 3 or 4 voices at most. What am I doing wrong?

I also seem to get alot of crackling at moderate volume levels and the sound is rather thin compared to the fantastic Minimax.

inDSP Frank · Post by **inDSP Frank** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 7:44 am

On 2003-07-05 17:05, ericr wrote:
How do you set the number of voices in the B2003 demo. I've heard it's set automatically? but I only seem to get 3 or 4 voices at most. What am I doing wrong?

I also seem to get alot of crackling at moderate volume levels and the sound is rather thin compared to the fantastic Minimax.

Polyphony should ALWAYS be 91 voices (not 96, I was wrong here). If the 3-4 note issue persists, please let me know! The sound is exactly as the B3 and it may be thin, but it can also be quite full. It's just an entirely different instrument as the Minimax. In a mix, you can't always have killer fat sounds - you will want to have other sounds as well to "paint the picture". Cheers, Frank

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 10:40 am

On 2003-07-04 05:29, ChrisWerner wrote:
Can anybody compare it with the NI-B4?

I've run them side by side. A lot of presets actually have the same drawbar settings, so they are easy to compare. I used only the stock settings without tweaking and must say the B2003 rules

The difference between the 2 sound engines is clearly noticable.
The B2003's spectrum is much more convenient and wider, the B4 is rather 'harsh' in direct comparison.
On several historical recordings the original B3 would also be called 'thin' compared to what we're used to today, so it's a true emulation.
The tonewheels age settings and even the envelope add-on are great features, let alone the convenient assignment of controllers to the drawbars.
Great job, Creamware - my B4 is for sale now, anyone interested ?

cheers, Tom

Gregory · Post by **Gregory** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 2:50 pm

I would say the same thing about the Emagic EVB3 emulation. The B2003 is much richer and fuller. And, again, that's comparing similarly named patches.

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 3:42 pm

Thank you Tom, I trust you and I hope you can sell your B4 copy now. Not on me though. I run the comparison yesterday, too.
I used the same Midi Files that comes with the B4 with the 2003. I agree with your result.
Good job Creamware!!

Thalamus · Post by **Thalamus** » Tue Jul 08, 2003 8:15 am

For me, Creamware did it again. This beatiful thing has got the same quality as their lastest effords: Vinco, Minimax and Interpole.

It sounds so organic that I can't beleave my ears.

I quess your will hear B-2003 in all my new songs, so beware of me playing old christmas-songs for organ (think before you download!

)...

I'm sold...

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