Janni wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:28 am
... MPA ... low-level network driver ... many platforms ... data (audio/video/data/midi/osc) ... modular built hardware ... DSP-card ... raspberry pi ... browser ... fancy MPA-ready controller...
Why might this be interesting to SCOPE users?
Good question ... especially because the upcoming question will we "what is the majority of SCOPE users doing w/ SCOPE and what do they really need to get their work done ?"
All the above and below is mainly guesses and "featuritis" talk.
Save lifetime, use less gear instead of more !
Janni wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:28 am
Since Frank said Scope 4 is able to use MPA, it might be something like this:
You install MPA on your Scope system and tell it that you want to use it to transmit audio and midi via Scopes ASIO and midi drivers.
Just like you would set up a sequencer.
Then you take your iPad/Android Phone/Mac, install it there too, and tell the software you want to use (e.g. a sequencer) to use MPA instead of a hardware driver (e.g. your RME-Soundcard).
Why ?
I use SCOPE ASIO when I want to record/ mix something.
I also don´t need any iPad, Android phone or Mac in addition to my PC running SCOPE/XITE and some pro DAW application.
Janni wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:28 am
Now you can send your audio/midi directly to scope (and back) without the need of additional hardware I/Os.
Just use Scopes ASIO/midi- drivers...
Hmm, "you can" ... "you can" ...
How many NEED is the question !
Janni wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:28 am
Scope now is still the "heart" of your studio ...
SCOPE/XITE already WAS the heart of my studio in my former location, w/ a 2nd SCOPE machine hosting SCOPE PCI in addition,- alltogether w/ Studio One Pro, Reaper and Phead Reason, NI Komplete ... only to name some,- and all the 3rd party devices for SCOPE in addition.
All that s##t ran in sync, even together w/ ATARI running Notator SL and a true reel-to-reel MTR using a synchronizer box.
MIDI was MIDI and audio was ADAT or analog-out to the monitor speakers w/ a volume knob in between.
AD/DA connected, expanding outputs and offering additional inputs for my hardware instruments.
In fact it was neary perfect for me when there weren´t the MIDI assignment total recall preset system bugs I now hope to get fixed in SCOPE "soon".
Janni wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:28 am
... but you can use your Hardware I/Os for connecting ADDs or whatever...
Or connect an old winxp PC with an old RME to expand your Scope I/Os.
"you can ..." (?) ... no, I already could ! See above.
And up to now, my SCOPE runs on WinXP machines,- 32Bit.
But it will change, I promise ...
Janni wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:28 am
Scenarios like this are not the future... they exist... Just think of remote controlled TV-productions where the hardware is at the venue but it's controlled 1000 km away.
Yeah, touché ! That´s what I do everyday of my life since I started making my living w/ music.
You see my productions and dunno me, don´t even know I´m controlling
ALL !
What I read here to me is "control-freak´s dreams" ... CFD,- the new studio standard !
I understood, even Holger D. and others like Ferrofish already run their "pro audio" departments for the large venues, theaters, broadcast and such.
I´m pretty sure, most SCOPE users run home-/project studios, maybe also do some mastering and some do live recording/mixes.
What we do is already overkill because in today´s music biz there are sitting "producers" on the patio in the sun, w/ their laptop, Ableton LIve and a Chaos Pad, make beatz and arrange some loops, then release.
Very cost effective because the main audience is so undemanding accepting mp3 and earbuds,- and when it comes to the super cool guys,- compact cassette tapes again nowadays.
As a developer/manufacturer, it might be clever finding the best common denominator when doing marketing research in the user base and deliver.
When the user base were large enough and bought enough hardware and devices, we probably had MADI and DANTE already, but I fear there are not enough out there in the need of more than 36 - 38 audio I/Os which is what XITE-1 offers when connecting enough AD/DAs.
And you can,- once the BNC wordclock bug is fixed for XITE.
So, SCOPE v7.1 and more upcoming fixes and improvements will be much more important than implementing new features because these alone will increase SCOPE/XITE usability, stability and functionality.
Janni wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:28 am
But most SCOPE users probably don't need this right now since they have their hardware connected the "old fashioned" way.
^^^^^^^^^
THIS !
Janni wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:28 am
Holger could integrate this MPA in Scope directly (no ASIO needed, OSC integration, whatever...).
Wasn´t there the plan iusing JUCE, integrating Copperlan and Audiobisquit Parseq into SCOPE 6 and and what else ?
Most underestimate all the work and manpower necessary implementing stuff and make it functional w/ hardware being developed and released for the 1st time many years ago.
Janni wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:28 am
Would this integration be an argument for non-scope-users to buy a MPA ready XITE-1?
IMO, improved SCOPE and XITE optimizations will sell more XITE boxes !
Nothing else.
Janni wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:28 am
Or a rackmounted version of Solaris? Just connect your Solaris with 1 CAT cable to your XITE/Controller/MPA based mixer/whatever and you are good to go?
When you mean John Bowen´s rackmount hardware Solaris synth, well,- that has to be realized 1st and it´s interesting what it will cost.
I´d be surprised seeing it @FFM Musikmesse ...
Maybe next year,- and it could be easily connected to XITE-1 using AES, a cheapo SPDIF converter and 2 MIDI cables.
We have no idea if this MPA "product" will work flawlessly when released as also not what the investment will be.
How much do you invest for just only using 1 cable instead of 4 ?
And how many users will invest into new hardware supporting the MPA when their old hardware is still good enough to get the work done ?
I´m now over 60 years old and for me it is pretty clear I´ll avoid all new gear purchases "promising" endless update cycles to make it perfekt.
It better works now,- life is short !
Bud