Solution to Reverb - PCI problem?! (by Mattias)
Dear all,
Many of us have probably experienced the frustration with getting PCI overflow when trying to use a more sophisticated reverb than the poor one provided in the Pulsar package. I now understand that there is no Pulsar solution to this problem, and have for a while been routing AUX to Cubase VST, using VSTs reverbs. But, this is a cumbersome and frustrating experience as well, as it can only been done in recording mode,etc, etc.
My solution to the problem would be the following:
Create a windows application that can use VST plugins (much like the effect rack in VST) and can connect to any of the ASIO in/outs. This way I could send my AUX from Pulsar via ASIO to the application, let the application route the signal to a VST plugin and forward the plugin output via ASIO back to Pulsar. The application should be able to co-exist with VST.
Theoretically it should work, as I today can:
* use plugins in VST and Wavelab at the same time
* get virtually zero latency with Pulsar and ASIO/plugins in VST (appr 7 ms on my mahcine!)
* Its all standard, so it should not be too difficult coding?!
So, all programming wizards out there, please start coding away. I am waiting...
Regards /mattias
Many of us have probably experienced the frustration with getting PCI overflow when trying to use a more sophisticated reverb than the poor one provided in the Pulsar package. I now understand that there is no Pulsar solution to this problem, and have for a while been routing AUX to Cubase VST, using VSTs reverbs. But, this is a cumbersome and frustrating experience as well, as it can only been done in recording mode,etc, etc.
My solution to the problem would be the following:
Create a windows application that can use VST plugins (much like the effect rack in VST) and can connect to any of the ASIO in/outs. This way I could send my AUX from Pulsar via ASIO to the application, let the application route the signal to a VST plugin and forward the plugin output via ASIO back to Pulsar. The application should be able to co-exist with VST.
Theoretically it should work, as I today can:
* use plugins in VST and Wavelab at the same time
* get virtually zero latency with Pulsar and ASIO/plugins in VST (appr 7 ms on my mahcine!)
* Its all standard, so it should not be too difficult coding?!
So, all programming wizards out there, please start coding away. I am waiting...
Regards /mattias
Subject: Re: Solution to Reverb - PCI problem?!
Just want to add that we could improve the PCI interface of our cards due to some newer chips that are available now.
With our new cards (PowerSampler, Luna, Elektra, Pulsar II, SCOPE II it is possible - provided there is enough DSP power and a good motherboard - to run 7 - 11 (!!) reverbs like the Timeworks 4080 without PCI overflows.
Ingo,
CreamWare
Just want to add that we could improve the PCI interface of our cards due to some newer chips that are available now.
With our new cards (PowerSampler, Luna, Elektra, Pulsar II, SCOPE II it is possible - provided there is enough DSP power and a good motherboard - to run 7 - 11 (!!) reverbs like the Timeworks 4080 without PCI overflows.
Ingo,
CreamWare
Subject: I can´t even use 1 reverb
I have Pulsar l and SRB, ASUS P3B-F, 256Mb ram,only the pulsarboards and a scsi interface but I can´t even use 1 reverb when I use Cubase.I can use atleast one sometimes two whith wawe-based programs.
Why is my PCI performance so bad?I think that I´ve done all the trics to optimize my computer to a DAW.
Thanks in advance for good ideas.
Kim
I have Pulsar l and SRB, ASUS P3B-F, 256Mb ram,only the pulsarboards and a scsi interface but I can´t even use 1 reverb when I use Cubase.I can use atleast one sometimes two whith wawe-based programs.
Why is my PCI performance so bad?I think that I´ve done all the trics to optimize my computer to a DAW.
Thanks in advance for good ideas.
Kim
Subject: re:-I can't even use 1 reverb
Hi Kim
I run an Adaptec 2940 U2W scsi card with an Asus P3B-F,256 ram and can run a PT 2024L or a Verb Pro with 16 channels of audio streaming from Logic.
I don't know if you have already changed your scsi card's sync transfer rate but if you haven't it should drastically change your PCI performance by doing so.
This is how you go about it:
1.As you boot up you will see an option for Scsi select Tm utility.For my scsi card I Press Ctrl A to enter the utility(you are informed of which keys are needed to enter as the Scsi select option is given).
2.Go to :-"Configure/View host adapter settings"
3.Go To :-"Scsi Device Configuration"
4.If your running U2W you'll find the sync transfer rate is 80Mb/sec,if running standard scsi:40Mb/sec
I have found that I can set the rate as low as 20Mb/sec and succesfully run Logic Audio alongside Pulsar,(10Mb/sec is to slow for Logic).I suppose the best thing to do is to experiment with different transfer rates until you can run everthing you want to on the lowest settings.
I hope this helps if you haven't already performed this little tweak.
Good Luck Lov 43
Hi Kim
I run an Adaptec 2940 U2W scsi card with an Asus P3B-F,256 ram and can run a PT 2024L or a Verb Pro with 16 channels of audio streaming from Logic.
I don't know if you have already changed your scsi card's sync transfer rate but if you haven't it should drastically change your PCI performance by doing so.
This is how you go about it:
1.As you boot up you will see an option for Scsi select Tm utility.For my scsi card I Press Ctrl A to enter the utility(you are informed of which keys are needed to enter as the Scsi select option is given).
2.Go to :-"Configure/View host adapter settings"
3.Go To :-"Scsi Device Configuration"
4.If your running U2W you'll find the sync transfer rate is 80Mb/sec,if running standard scsi:40Mb/sec
I have found that I can set the rate as low as 20Mb/sec and succesfully run Logic Audio alongside Pulsar,(10Mb/sec is to slow for Logic).I suppose the best thing to do is to experiment with different transfer rates until you can run everthing you want to on the lowest settings.
I hope this helps if you haven't already performed this little tweak.
Good Luck Lov 43
Subject: Re: Solution to Reverb - PCI problem?!
Hi Mattias!
Look at www.fxpansion.com for their forthcoming
RealFX (is that the name???). It´s might be a solution.
But there is further the latency of your system...
Ralf
Hi Mattias!
Look at www.fxpansion.com for their forthcoming
RealFX (is that the name???). It´s might be a solution.
But there is further the latency of your system...
Ralf
Subject: True, but
A software that would take the mixed 2-track from Pulsar and allow the usage of C4, Ultramaximizer and other DirectX/VST mastering tools to be used in real time would be nice. Then the software would route the signal back to Pulsar or directly to, say, SoundForge.
Concerning reverbs, buy the TC Electronic M-One. Doesn't get any easier.
A software that would take the mixed 2-track from Pulsar and allow the usage of C4, Ultramaximizer and other DirectX/VST mastering tools to be used in real time would be nice. Then the software would route the signal back to Pulsar or directly to, say, SoundForge.
Concerning reverbs, buy the TC Electronic M-One. Doesn't get any easier.
Subject: re FXpansion / Obsidian
Marc,
Which devices did you buy, and when? I'm not aware of any such complaint, perhaps you bought some old Obsidian devices before the merger?
We've not experienced anything unresolvable - touch wood - with any of the post-merger devices - AnaFX, PsychoAcoustix, Series One and UltraBundle. Some of the PowerUP devices are older and pre-date the merger, so I personally can't vouch for those.
Regards,
Angus Hewlett
Director of Development
FXpansion Audio - http://www.fxpansion.com
Marc,
Which devices did you buy, and when? I'm not aware of any such complaint, perhaps you bought some old Obsidian devices before the merger?
We've not experienced anything unresolvable - touch wood - with any of the post-merger devices - AnaFX, PsychoAcoustix, Series One and UltraBundle. Some of the PowerUP devices are older and pre-date the merger, so I personally can't vouch for those.
Regards,
Angus Hewlett
Director of Development
FXpansion Audio - http://www.fxpansion.com
Subject: RT.FX
Our forthcoming program, which is now in beta, is called RT.FX, and it'll do just as you want using ASIO. We might well add EASI support before release, so you can use it with whichever Pulsar driver object you have available. EG, if Cubase is using the ASIO port, you can use RT.FX with the EASI.
Everything is MIDI-automated, and because it's not a big, heavy DAW software, just a mixer and effects host, you can run at very low latency indeed.
Our forthcoming program, which is now in beta, is called RT.FX, and it'll do just as you want using ASIO. We might well add EASI support before release, so you can use it with whichever Pulsar driver object you have available. EG, if Cubase is using the ASIO port, you can use RT.FX with the EASI.
Everything is MIDI-automated, and because it's not a big, heavy DAW software, just a mixer and effects host, you can run at very low latency indeed.