The busses

[niceboy]

Can you please tell me where to find a description about how to use the busses.
Maybe thats one older thread in Planet Z.
Cant find witch.

[next to nothing]

This link night explain the basics.

[niceboy]

This link night explain the basics.

I dont have problems but you have,
so why dont you just stay away with your stupid ideas.
http://nojestorget.se/10021_Bear-Of-Moon.html

[Janni]

lol

no sense of humour, mr. niceboy?
Do you have problems with a special mixer (like the STM series)?
Greetz from Germany

[Janni]

If it's about STM 2448 / 4896, maybe page 32 of the manual helps.

[niceboy]

lol

no sense of humour, mr. niceboy?
Do you have problems with a special mixer (like the STM series)?
Greetz from Germany

Thanks for responding.
First STM 4896 in our PCI Scope
We are doing feedback in both Xite but mostly on our old PCI Scope,
we now have 45 DSP so we want to find out how to use the busses,
in order to mix separate delays and reverbs maybe both delay and reverb in one bus.
Then we can use 8 instruments with separat delay and reverb.
Thats because we mix down to stereo in our Xite now and put reverb there using STM 1632.
We rather use .ex more plugins like Brainworx V2 also for our live setup in Both our Scope systems.

[niceboy]

If it's about STM 2448 / 4896, maybe page 32 of the manual helps.

Yes its about that page I dont understand how to activate.
The blue is automatic from loaded plugins but ???
I get no signal at all.
Also what is ment by linked together here.
I dont want to use Mix out in PCI Scope , so we dont want to link channels or busses with each other.
Also we go back and forward to Waves Multirack here using also there live plugins,
but we find Scope much better on Feedback ,Delays and Reverbs.
Thats why we want to activate the busses.
Maybe we can adress the internal Aux inserts also otherwhere than out through the 8 busses,
but thats ok for us.
We use monomixing exept for feedback but then back to mono,
after using stereo just to make feedback.

[Janni]

The blue buttons are the buttons for assignment.
That means (in this picture):
Ch 1 goes to Bus 1&2 (linked together, red link button)
Ch 2 goes to Mix (green button)
Ch 3 goes to Bus 3&4
and so on...

AFAIK you can't send one channel to several busses.
That's really limiting, IMHO.
But I'm not sure about that, haven't used that mixer for a long time...

As long as you haven't activated the green mix button on the Bus channel strip (right bottom,
next to the defeat switch) the signal goes only to the Bus output and can't be heard on the mix.

If I understood right what you want to do, I would combine several small mixers and skip the big STMs.
I think spacef mod-mixers would be a very good choice for you, but I'm not sure...

[niceboy]

The blue buttons are the buttons for assignment.
That means (in this picture):
Ch 1 goes to Bus 1&2 (linked together, red link button)
Ch 2 goes to Mix (green button)
Ch 3 goes to Bus 3&4
and so on...

AFAIK you can't send one channel to several busses.
That's really limiting, IMHO.
But I'm not sure about that, haven't used that mixer for a long time...

As long as you haven't activated the green mix button on the Bus channel strip (right bottom,
next to the defeat switch) the signal goes only to the Bus output and can't be heard on the mix.

If I understood right what you want to do, I would combine several small mixers and skip the big STMs.
I think spacef mod-mixers would be a very good choice for you, but I'm not sure...

Thank you very much, i am going to try to activate today.
We already use the 1632 on each channel separeted in our Xite before mixdown to Stereo.
In recordings we dont do so only but both.
So thats why we want to do so also in our live set up.
I am going to route the channels delay and reverb to 1 bus, but thats maybe not possible or ???
We will not skip the big one .
We need every channel for feedback here, but maybe also your spacef mod-mixers.
Is that something new for Scope here.

[garyb]

the description from the manual is about the record busses, usually called "bus".

i believe you may be asking about the auxilliary busses. they're marked "aux", but an aux is certainly a bus. usually things like reverbs are put in an aux.

auxes are enabled in each channel on the master channel panel. they are located below the record bus meters and are labled aux1, 2, 3, 4. they have a button to press to turn them on. the other button is for pre/post. refer to the manual for detail. the aux busses work just like on any other mixer.

[niceboy]

the description from the manual is about the record busses, usually called "bus".

i believe you may be asking about the auxilliary busses. they're marked "aux", but an aux is certainly a bus. usually things like reverbs are put in an aux.

auxes are enabled in each channel on the master channel panel. they are located below the record bus meters and are labled aux1, 2, 3, 4. they have a button to press to turn them on. the other button is for pre/post. refer to the manual for detail. the aux busses work just like on any other mixer.

I already know that since long time, but we already are using delay and reverb on the inserts in STM 1632,
when we are mixing down to Stereo in using our Xite, but we wanted to do that in our 45 DSP PCI.
The problem there is that the reverb is not loading as an insert there only delay is doing so.
Dont ask me why.
When you now telling me this aux info assuming that I did not know that,
I will inform you that its ok, but we only need separeted delay and reverb on the Soloinstruments,
because we also do positive feedback and delay in the masterprocess for live.
So maybe the busses is useful for us if they can be routed together with the internal auxinserts.

[niceboy]

The blue buttons are the buttons for assignment.
That means (in this picture):
Ch 1 goes to Bus 1&2 (linked together, red link button)
Ch 2 goes to Mix (green button)
Ch 3 goes to Bus 3&4
and so on...

AFAIK you can't send one channel to several busses.
That's really limiting, IMHO.
But I'm not sure about that, haven't used that mixer for a long time...

As long as you haven't activated the green mix button on the Bus channel strip (right bottom,
next to the defeat switch) the signal goes only to the Bus output and can't be heard on the mix.

If I understood right what you want to do, I would combine several small mixers and skip the big STMs.
I think spacef mod-mixers would be a very good choice for you, but I'm not sure...

Ok is that spacef mod-mixers on any pic somewhere.
Is it working in Scope or what lol ???
You are not sure ?
Why not

[Janni]

I'm not sure what you want to do and I haven't used them myself so far...
here you go:
http://www.spacef-devices.com/index.php ... &Itemid=15

[niceboy]

I'm not sure what you want to do and I haven't used them myself so far...
here you go:
http://www.spacef-devices.com/index.php ... &Itemid=15

Its maybe very good, but is it for Scope or Sequenser or similar XTC , then I am not interested.
My first. Question is not Answered yet, because maybe you dont understand it.

[Janni]

it's for scope:

Hardware requirements:
- Software: Scope 4.0 and further (4.x , 5.x).
- Hardware : scope-pci , xite supported.
- Minimal screen resolution 1366*768 (designed on a 1920*1200 (24') and a 1366*768 (19 wide).

http://www.spacef-devices.com/index.php ... &Itemid=16

[niceboy]

it's for scope:

Hardware requirements:
- Software: Scope 4.0 and further (4.x , 5.x).
- Hardware : scope-pci , xite supported.
- Minimal screen resolution 1366*768 (designed on a 1920*1200 (24') and a 1366*768 (19 wide).

http://www.spacef-devices.com/index.php ... &Itemid=16

Later I will find out.
now I am going to use all eight busses in STM 4896 first,
for Hammond, Rythmguitar, Sologuitar and Voice.

[niceboy]

the description from the manual is about the record busses, usually called "bus".

i believe you may be asking about the auxilliary busses. they're marked "aux", but an aux is certainly a bus. usually things like reverbs are put in an aux.

auxes are enabled in each channel on the master channel panel. they are located below the record bus meters and are labled aux1, 2, 3, 4. they have a button to press to turn them on. the other button is for pre/post. refer to the manual for detail. the aux busses work just like on any other mixer.

The manual is not so clear about the pre and post so I will test that now, on our Yamaha Mixer the Aux Direct out ,
is not turn off as default so then all mixers are not the same.

[garyb]

pre is prefader. the levels of the channel fader do not affect the levels in the aux. this is best for using an aux as a monitor bus.

post is postfader. the levels in the aux are raised and lowered as the channel is turned up or down. this is best for reverbs and delays where you want to add ambience without changing the overall balance between channels.

ALL pro audio mixers work this way. ALL of them. it's true that some don't require you to turn the bus on or off, but that's a minor point.

[niceboy]

pre is prefader. the levels of the channel fader do not affect the levels in the aux. this is best for using an aux as a monitor bus.

post is postfader. the levels in the aux are raised and lowered as the channel is turned up or down. this is best for reverbs and delays where you want to add ambience without changing the overall balance between channels.

ALL pro audio mixers work this way. ALL of them. it's true that some don't require you to turn the bus on or off, but that's a minor point.

Yes but I am asking about the minor point from the beginning here